(Bright Upbeat Music) KATE SULLIVAN: It may be a cold and rainy spring day on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, but I am about to dine with a ray of sunshine, a true New York City titan.

Barbara!

(Laughs) How are you?

KATE: Barbara Corcoran and the Corcoran name are synonymous with New York City real estate.

And today, Barbara is taking me to her favorite neighborhood restaurant to eat what she loves and find out why she loves it.

BARBARA CORCORAN: If this was our last meal, Kate, we'd die happy.

KATE: We would.

We would.

(Laughs) BARBARA: Right?

KATE: Between bites, we're hearing the unlikely story of how anger and insult fuel Barbara's natural desire to succeed.

BARBARA: If he had said to me, "You're really smart.

I know you're going to do it."

I don't know, if I would have done it.

The idea that he insulted me?

Ugh!

That's when I learned the power of insults.

KATE: How she built her multimillion dollar real estate business from the ground up and became a shark on the hit TV show Shark Tank.

Plus, the oh-so-many slivers of wisdom she has for all budding entrepreneurs.

BARBARA: I thought I was going to be a Cinderella, instead I'm the prince!

(Both laugh) KATE: What's better in life and a bottle of wine, great food, and an amazing conversation?

My name is Kate Sullivan and I am the host of To Dine For .

I'm a journalist, a foodie, a traveler with an appetite for the stories of people who are hungry for more.

Dreamers, visionaries, artists, those who hustle hard in the direction they love.

I travel with them to their favorite restaurant to hear how they did it.

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KATE: Hello everyone!

Today, I am on the Upper East Side of Manhattan on my way into a neighborhood gem: Paola's Osteria.

The woman that chose this as her favorite restaurant is a visionary business mind and is considered "the queen of New York City real estate."

I can't wait for you to meet Barbara Corcoran.

Barbara!

(Chuckles) How are you?

It's not every day you get to dine with "the queen of New York City real estate."

And if the secret to understanding real estate is location, location, location, then Barbara made a fantastic choice.

And this is a neighborhood gem in your neighborhood.

BARBARA: It's the best neighborhood gem.

You know, it makes you about five pounds heavier when you come out, but it's worth every calorie.

(KATE LAUGHS) It's got the freshest pasta in town.

You're gonna love it.

KATE: Paola's Osteria is located on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

It has a Madison Avenue address and is both entrenched in a local neighborhood but also a great stop for museum goers, headed out for a day at the Guggenheim.

FABRIZIO DI MITRI: The idea of the restaurant is a typical osteria.

A place where you serve food and the host is the one that serves the wine, so food, wine, but in a casual environment, so it's not like a restaurant, a ristorante.

There's no ties involved, you don't have to wear anything special.

So you can come casually and eat and feel comfortable.

KATE: Opened in 1983, it's the type of place you can find the Italian classics: pizzas, homemade pastas, fresh salads, and great wine.

It's a restaurant that feeds your soul.

And, it's where Barbara is a regular - like every week regular.

FABRIZIO: She likes to come here and to be treated like a regular person, part of the family like everybody else.

They know each other.

Before she sits at the table, she says "Hi" to like half of the dining room or the bar because they all know each other.

We are family.

KATE: In this simple, cozy setting, we are ordering up all of Barbara's favorites.

We're starting with a classic Caesar salad - Barbara claims the oversized croutons are the secret.

We're also starting with the artichokes, a dish that has fried baby artichokes, topped with pecorino romano and a pinch of fresh mint.

For our main course, it's homemade pasta.

The paglia e fieno has a green and white noodles mixed in with green peas, prosciutto, and mushrooms, and a light cream sauce.

It's one of the restaurant's original dishes from the '80s that is so popular it's made its way back on the menu.

So, here we are!

This is Paola's.

BARBARA: It's a good seat here.

KATE: Yes!

BARBARA: My best seat is over by the window, but we'll sit here today.

KATE: Okay.

(Laughs) We're not in Barbara's seat, are we?

BARBARA: At the window you can watch the whole world go by.

That's why I like it so much.

KATE: Your fellow shark, Mark Cuban, took me to IHOP.

BARBARA: Of course he did.

That's so Mark.

(Kate laughs) I used to work at IHOP in New Jersey.

KATE: Did you really?

BARBARA: I did, but Mark Cuban never came in, or I would have married him when I met him.

(Kate laughs) KATE: What I loved about going to IHOP with Mark is that he really does eat there.

BARBARA: He does.

KATE: And what I love about this place is you really come here a lot.

This is a neighborhood favorite of yours.

BARBARA: Of course.

And, for every one time that I come here, I probably order at home five times.

And, for a while, I pretended I made the food.

(Kate laughs) And then, my friends were on to me.

The same dishes kept coming out - I don't think so.

(Barbara laughs) KATE: You pretended that this was your food?

BARBARA: Yeah.

I brought it home, got rid of the packaging, put it on nice platters.

Why not?

KATE: You mentioned that you were a waitress at IHOP.

I too was a waitress early on in my career.

BARBARA: IHOP as well?

KATE: Not at IHOP.

(Kate laughs) At Muldoon's Saloon.

BARBARA: Oh, that sounds more interesting.

KATE: In Taunton, Mass.

BARBARA: I think I learned the most about myself through my waitressing jobs.

I probably had maybe eight or nine of them growing up because I had 22 jobs, but the great majority of them were waitressing jobs.

KATE: You had 22 jobs?

BARBARA: Before, yeah, before I started real estate business.

(Kate laughs) In my family, we worked from when we were 11, 12-years-old.

So, we all worked.

But the fact of the matter is, I learned to work on a commission basis, that's what waitressing is.

KATE: Yes.

BARBARA: Making people pleased, flirting with people, getting them to like you, and getting the bigger tip.

Producing what they wanted most fast like the coffee came out right like that.

And you learn so many skills and you learn to multitask.

And you learn that the harder you work and the more you earn on your feet, the faster the day goes.

KATE: Tell me where you grew up and what it was like in your household growing up?

BARBARA: I had a great, great, blessed...if that's the word, upbringing.

We had ten kids in our family.

My mother grew us up in a two bedroom house, which looking at from the outside you think, "Oh that doesn't sound so good."

But we had a house filled with love.

My mother was a motivator.

My father worked two jobs his whole life, so he was always working.

But, he was our playmate.

He would play with us some weekends when he wasn't working his two jobs.

And my mother had the ability to see the positive in anybody.

And I think that has been the greatest gift of my entire life.

She not only saw the positive in anyone, but she could see the potential in anyone.

KATE: Who do you think she wanted you to be?

Or what did she tell you.

BARBARA: She was very clear.

KATE: She was?

BARBARA: When I came home from school, I was in second grade, I was one of the dumb kids in my family.

We had seven kids that were straight A students and three kids that were dyslexia.

But we didn't know what we had was wrong with us.

So, when I came home from school very upset and crying because Sister Stella Marie, the nun from hell of course, told me I'd always be stupid just because I couldn't read, which is a terrible way to judge a child, right?

My mother said, "Don't worry about it.

You don't have to read.

You have a wonderful imagination, and you'll learn how to fill in all the blanks."

KATE: She didn't put you in a box.

She just basically subtly said, "You're so imaginative, you'll find another way."

BARBARA: She even went further.

She used to say, "You're a genius."

And I didn't know what a genius was but I knew it was something really good and I believed her.

KATE: Wow.

BARBARA: Yeah...you know, I often think back at my mother, uh, I can't even think about her sometimes without crying, but I think back at my mother and I think 'God, if she wasn't in my corner.'

If she wasn't in my corner as a kid, I would have grown up thinking I was a loser, believing the school system and what they said about me.

KATE: Right.

BARBARA: You know?

All you need is really one person in your corner, and boy, I had my mom.

KATE: Hello.

BARBARA: Woah, get ready for a treat.

(Kate laughs) Even the bread - I could just eat the bread, and sip wine, and be happy, and go home.

KATE: I hear you.

BARBARA: Wait 'till you taste that bread.

Don't take too much!

I want most of it.

(Kate laughs) KATE: You know, I've done a couple of these.

So what I like to do, trade plates.

So, I'll give this to you.

BARBARA: Oh that's, well I want more than that.

C'mon Kate.

Pile it on!

(Kate laughs) KATE: And I didn't even give you some cheese.

BARBARA: Yeah, I want that big slice of cheese on top.

KATE: There we go, there we go.

Oh, wow!

BARBARA: I wouldn't steer you wrong.

If we...we just ate this, we would be happy.

KATE: I would come in for just that.

BARBARA: We have to have another.

I don't know if I'll get to the pasta today.

I could just eat these.

KATE: There's something about a neighborhood restaurant in New York that's very special.

BARBARA: You feel you own it somehow.

On some level, you own it, it's yours.

KATE: Yes.

BARBARA: Even though it's not, it's still yours.

KATE: Yes.

KATE: Barbara may not own this restaurant, but she owns a lot of real estate, including a $15 million dollar penthouse in the city.

In 1973, Barbara borrowed $1,000 to start her own real estate company with her boyfriend in New York City.

She quickly found ways to sell apartments and beat out the competition, and grew the Corcoran Group to be one of the largest and best-known brands in the brokerage business.

In 2001, Barbara was offered $22 million to sell her firm.

A born negotiator, she tripled her price and sold to National Realty Trust for $66 million.

KATE: One of the things that strikes me about you is that you still have a love for real estate.

BARBARA: Oh, of course.

KATE: Like, you're not jaded in any way.

And I'm just wondering, how have you been able to maintain that through the years?

BARBARA: Because I think real estate is really a miracle.

It does so much for people, whether you're selling someone a home, you're moving into a home, it's your own private world.

But also, real estate makes a lot of money.

Real estate made me rich.

Only real estate made me more rich than running a brokerage firm and selling it for a lot of money.

Real estate always pays.

I'm such a believer in real estate.

It's like a god for me almost.

It sounds terrible, but I really look at it that way.

I never tire of realizing what it has to offer.

I think anyone who is in real estate game is out of their mind.

You have to beg, borrow, steal, do something to get in the game.

KATE: Let's begin at the beginning when you had a firm with your boyfriend.

BARBARA: Yes, I did... KATE: And... BARBARA: Ex-boyfriend!

Very ex, very ex.

KATE: Exactly.

And he dumped you.

BARBARA: Yes.

We didn't have to use the word dumped, (Kate laughs) but that's what he did.

KATE: That's the word you would use, Barbara.

BARBARA: That's the word.

It felt like a big dump!

(Kate laughs) KATE: What happened then?

Because what it's what happened, what you did with that negative experience that really defined the rest of your career and life.

BARBARA: It broke my heart so much and then I got angry.

And so, one day I just walked in and announced we're ending the company.

Just like that, boom!

Like, a switch that was thrown.

And I said, "You pick the first person, I'll pick the second."

We had 14 people, we'll divide the company down the middle.

That's exactly what we did.

It took about two minutes.

I moved out and found a new office.

Thank God, three floors above him to show him up.

But I went to the landlord, because I always paid my rent, and he gave me the office above.

And that was the beginning of the Corcoran Group.

KATE: The power of anger.

BARBARA: Yes, very much so.

And when I was going out the door that Friday morning, two hours after I announced we had divided the company, he said to me, "You'll never succeed without me."

Because he was angry.

KATE: Woah.

BARBARA: And that was so helpful!

If he had said to me, "You're really smart, I know you're going to do it."

I don't know, if I would have done it.

But the idea that he insulted me?

Ugh!

That's when I learned the power of insults.

KATE: Yes.

BARBARA: You know, not everyone gets compliments, but everybody gets insults.

And there's great power in that, boy, did I learn that, that day.

And the few years that followed, I thought of it all the time.

KATE: I read that you had started a newsletter when you first started the Corcoran Group um telling people about real estate trends, which is kinda funny now because people are doing that now, but you were doing it way back when.

BARBARA: Really, it was born out of desperation.

It was a tough time.

I had the few sales people in my company complaining chronically, every day.

"You're not doing enough for us, you're not advertising, how are we supposed to sell real estate?"

And out of desperation, I said, "I have a new idea."

And when my sales person, the biggest complainer, left my office and said, "Okay, let me come up with a new idea."

And I just had eleven sales for the year.

I added them up, divided by eleven, and I made it a report - "The Corcoran Report: Conditions and Trends in the Greater New York Marketplace."

It looked fancy, that big, long line.

And I typed it up and sent it out to every reporter that wrote for The New York Times that particular day.

KATE: Wow.

BARBARA: Which, I think was probably like maybe 150 people.

Two weeks later, I was on the front page of the real estate section: "According to Barbara Corcoran, prices are at an all-time low."

Sure they were at an all-time low, but I was at an all-time high.

KATE: It was really a press release more than a newsletter.

BARBARA: I didn't know it.

KATE: Yeah, you didn't know it.

You were writing your own press release.

BARBARA: I didn't know it, but it put me on the map.

And what it did for me is taught me the lesson of credibility.

I had no credibility.

I didn't have fancy people.

We were the low-price, blue-collar type firm in town.

I wanted to do high-price.

But, everybody treated me differently.

It's like, they call me "Miss Corcoran."

I'm like, "Miss Corcoran?

Yesterday, I was Barb!"

KATE: You running the Corcoran Group... BARBARA: Yes.

KATE: ...versus you as a personal real estate agent.

Tell me, which one is your strength?

BARBARA: I only sold one apartment.

I mean, people don't know that and who cares.

It's not so important.

But people think I sold all the fancy properties in town, and no I did not.

But what I did was I recruited the fancy people, wined and dined them, and pitched them and did whatever I had to do to bring them into the firm, and they sold the fancy stuff.

I think what I am excellent at is identifying talent and building talent.

Uh, but selling real estate?

I'm not so good at it.

You know, if we were relying on me for my income, I'm not so sure we'd stay in business.

But I had one of every type of person in my firm.

I thought of the firm as a crayon box.

I had every nationality, every personality type, every economic level.

I just said, "Let me get one of everything and people are going to buy from them."

And that's what really built the firm, my acumen for people, not my selling by any means.

KATE: Wow, so that is really interesting because people think of you as "the queen of New York City real estate."

BARBARA: I'll take it.

I'll take the title!

KATE: But really it's about leadership and it's about acquiring great talent.

BARBARA: All business is about acquiring great talent.

Think of what builds a business.

There's only one way to build it.

You're gonna have a computer business, technology, whatever you do, it's all about people.

If you have people in the right jobs, they love it and they blossom in the jobs.

They become strong.

You become stronger.

KATE: Ooo.

BARBARA: Wow.

KATE: Oh, my goodness.

This is your order, Barbara.

BARBARA: You don't do a calorie count on this do you?

(Kate laughs) There's nothing in here that isn't a million calories.

KATE: Thank you very much.

Wow.

BARBARA: I know.

I know.

KATE: This pasta is so delicious.

BARBARA: If this was our last meal, Kate, we'd die happy.

KATE: (Kate laughs) We would, we would, we would Barbara.

BARBARA: But only if we finish it up.

KATE: Mm-hm.

What is the number one criteria for a dynamite realtor?

BARBARA: Insecurity.

KATE: What?

BARBARA: Yeah, I would say insecurity.

KATE: How so?

BARBARA: Something to prove.

KATE: Mm-hm.

BARBARA: Desperate to prove how big you are, how good you are.

Competitive.

I've never had a top salesperson who wasn't fiercely competitive.

I mean, they compete for things they don't even want, because it's in their nature to be competitive.

I had a trick when I would interview people.

I would say to them, "You know, I think you're good with people.

I think you read people well.

You get along.

You're so charming.

You've done this.

You've done that.

You're bah-bah-bah..." Make them feel so good.

And I was like, "But I'll tell you one thing I'm not picking up on.

I don't think you have enough drive.

I don't think you have enough ego."

And then, I would be quiet.

I am telling you, the good potential salespeople almost reached across my desk and killed me.

KATE: Oh, that's so good.

BARBARA: Most people, I would say seven out of ten people I interviewed, would say, "Oh, no, I am!

I really am!

I am on a committee and I've really been aggressive."

And I'm like nah, the music's not right.

Next!

KATE: Barbara's talent for identifying talented people got Hollywood's attention.

In 2009, Barbara became a shark on what's now the hit ABC show Shark Tank.

Her job: to meet entrepreneurs face-to-face and make an instant decision if she wants to invest her money in them.

Fifteen seasons later, she's now invested in more than 130 businesses.

There have been some losses and some big wins, like The Comfy, a wearable blanket.

Barbara's $50,000 investment in The Comfy made her $468 million in just three years.

You had the opportunity of lifetime... BARBARA: Tell me about it!

I don't remember.

(Both laugh) KATE: ...to become a shark on Shark Tank.

BARBARA: Oh, that is an opportunity!

KATE: But, it almost didn't happen.

BARBARA: Oh...yeah, almost.

Almost doesn't count as they say.

KATE: Yeah, tell me that story.

BARBARA: It did happen.

KATE: Oh, it certainly did.

BARBARA: Well, I got a call from the woman who worked for Mark Burnett, who was the biggest producer in Hollywood.

I did not know that when the call came in.

And she told me they had a new show they were doing, and would I be interested in being a shark?

And I listened to her and I said, "Sure."

And when the contract came two days later, I signed it, I never even read it.

It didn't pay very well.

It was an opportunity.

I didn't care.

I just signed it and expressed it back.

But then, about two days before I was going to Shark Tank, many weeks later, after I bought new luggage at Bergdorf Goodman's, after I bought two new autograph signing, you know, outfits.

Really nice.

And after I told my whole circle of family and friends, "I'm going to Hollywood."

Like, I show up, "I'm going to Hollywood."

I got the call from the same woman who said, "I'm sorry, we've changed our mind.

We've hired another woman for your seat."

KATE: Ugh.

BARBARA: Just like that!

KATE: Oh...oh, gosh.

BARBARA: And that's exactly how I felt.

I wanted to die, mostly out of embarrassment, because I had broadcast it to everybody I was going to be a star like a show off.

I just couldn't believe it.

It just didn't seem real to me because I had pictured myself a shark.

I'd pictured myself in Hollywood.

And whenever I could picture myself, just as I had pictured myself the queen of New York real estate, it always came true.

So, it didn't compute.

So, I sat down after I got over myself and my pity party that lasted two minutes, and I wrote Mark Burnett a letter that he made a mistake and I thought his rejection was my lucky charm.

And everything in my life happened on the heels of a rejection and I cited the few key rejections that I turned around.

And I said, "I'd like you to invite both women out to compete for the seat."

And, he did.

KATE: Did he really?

BARBARA: It was a riveting sales pitch.

KATE: So, it was you and another entrepreneur?

BARBARA: Another woman, yeah.

KATE: And you had to pitch yourself?

BARBARA: No, I had to work in the morning as a shark and she worked in the afternoon as a shark.

KATE: Oh, my gosh.

BARBARA: A little pressure.

KATE: A little pressure?

BARBARA: And I was terrible.

It's not like I was good.

I didn't hardly say a word.

I still can't tell you why they even picked me.

But I've gotten everything as a result of one more try.

Just one more try.

And the one more try, I don't know if God has a sense of humor and wants you to struggle a lot or something, but it's the one more try that only got the good stuff.

KATE: That first season - did you think it would go so many seasons?

Or was this just an experiment you were playing out?

Did you have a gut?

BARBARA: Kate, the first day on the set, one thing I noticed, I had no gut, I didn't know the TV business, I didn't know what made a good show, but the very first day on the set, after the entrepreneur pitched, and we then we had a set-up, maybe 15/20 minutes, what would happen would the camera guys would debate the last pitch.

Would they buy?

Who was it?

Did they believe him?

Did we pay too much?

They debated long after the curtain closed.

And that happened again and again the whole day and I thought: "Gee, these guys must see it," all these camera guys.

They're intrigued, so they must know something's good about this show.

And I had a lot of confidence in that.

But other than that, how do you judge a show?

Who knew?

I thought I'd sign up for a year or two to give me something to do, and it's been 15 years.

I think I'm gonna die in my seat and help ratings actually on the show.

(Kate laughs) KATE: When you're on Shark Tank, it must be so nerve-wracking to come out there, in-front of you all and to pitch.

What's your best advice?

BARBARA: For an entrepreneur?

KATE: Yes.

BARBARA: Be yourself.

Uh, you know, I think it's not just for Shark Tank, but it's for all of life.

People recognize authenticity.

And I have another trick!

I always like my little tricks.

If I'm not sure about someone, I'm going back and forth and something is bothering me, I ask myself, "If there was a war, would I throw my kid into their arms and think the kid would be okay in 10 years?"

(Kate laughs) As weird as it sounds!

And I think, "Yeah, I would trust that guy."

And I go into the deal, you know?

But, if I have any hesitation like, "No, I'm not sure my kid would be taken care of."

KATE: Yeah.

BARBARA: I decide to pass it by.

KATE: Oh, wow.

I'm going to look at the world differently through that lens because... BARBARA: Well, it sums up people, really well.

KATE: It does.

BARBARA: You know how you love your children.

BOTH: Say it like it is.

KATE: Right!

When you think about the work that you've done with Corcoran Group, in those early years, did you even think about that you were this lone woman out there where every other group was run by men?

And how did you navigate that?

BARBARA: I was exceptional in that I didn't fit in.

Now, I didn't get any respect, but that didn't bother me because when I didn't get respect, or people didn't even acknowledge me or even talk to me, I would just say to myself, "You wait, I'm coming to get you."

I would say it quietly to myself: "You wait, I'm coming to get you."

I know it sounds silly, but that's how I was able to save my own face with myself.

And you know what?

I did come up and bite them from behind, because they weren't watching me.

And all the while, even though I was the only female-owned business, I never, ever saw myself as like a woman.

I never saw myself as a woman, I saw myself as a competitor.

KATE: Yes.

BARBARA: Like, "I'm gonna compete with you, buddy."

KATE: All of the years of Shark Tank, the Shark Tank brand has really become part of our culture.

In the idea that you can have this idea, and hustle hard in the direction that you love, and really completely change the trajectory of your life.

BARBARA: Change your life totally: your friends, your family, your income, where you live, where you're able to go, the freedom of that.

KATE: What's it been like for you being a part of that?

And to see it and to be such an integral part of it?

BARBARA: I feel like it triples my enjoyment of life because I'm living through them like, "Woah I'm so excited."

Because they never, even though they were hoping for success, they never really envisioned that they deserve it, that they're really gonna get it.

You know?

KATE: What have you learned, you know, as a self-made woman um, about success?

BARBARA: I should have married a rich guy.

It would be easier.

(Kate laughs) KATE: You became the man you should have married.

BARBARA: I thought I was going to be a Cinderella.

Instead, I'm the prince!

(Kate and Barbara laugh) KATE: Nothing wrong with that Barbara!

Cheers to that!

BARBARA: I'd rather have that position any day of the week.

KATE: You're the type of person who it's just so obvious that you love what you do.

So, is it okay to ask what's next for you?

BARBARA: Uh, I don't really even know what's next.

I feel like I should be retiring at this age, because I'm really getting up there.

Uh, but I don't want to give up all the fun.

KATE: Yeah.

BARBARA: I think what brings me joy is fun times with people.

The closer you are to creating times or feelings like you're a kid yourself... KATE: Yeah.

BARBARA: ...the more joy you get out of life.

KATE: Yeah.

BARBARA: There's so much seriousness, so much misery in life.

Not that I negate it and don't want to look at it, but I really don't want to look at it.

I just try and stuff myself with great people that are really happy to be there and adding to each other.

You know, joy's a funny thing, it multiplies when it bounces off of people next to you.

It just multiples out.

I just surround myself with really good people all the time.

KATE: Well, cheers to that.

Barbara, I've enjoyed this interview so much.

Thank you for meeting me at Paola's!

BARBARA: Now, I want to ask you a question: have you enjoyed the interview more or the pasta?

KATE: (Laughs) You're putting me in a tough spot Barbara.

BARBARA: The pasta, you must say!

I've enjoyed your interview more, but I've liked the pasta even better.

(Kate laughs) KATE: It's really good.

It's really good.

Wow.

What a lunch with Barbara Corcoran.

She is one funny lady and competitive too.

A study in ambition, resourcefulness, and great instincts.

She actually didn't sell real estate.

Instead, she had the eye to spot the talent to hire the teams to sell real estate.

Her mother called her a genius and she spoke words of great affirmation into her life.

And you can see, she took those words and ran with them all the way to the top.

Cheers, Barbara, to you and your modern American dream.

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