WHILST POLITICAL TURMOIL CONTINUES TO CAUSE DOMESTIC CHAOS IN UNITED STATES, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FIGHTING ITS OWN BATTLES WITH INTERNAL TENSIONS MOUNTING, INCLUDING IN THE DNC.

RAISING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT CAN BE A SUCCESSFUL OPPOSITION PARTY THROUGH TRUMP'S SECOND PRESIDENCY.

THE NEWLY ELECTED CHAIR OF THE DNC HAS PLENTY OF IDEAS AND HE JOINS MICHELLE MARTIN TO DISCUSS THEM.

>> YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> AVIDLY, WHEN WE ARRANGED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SOME TIME AGO OUR PLAN WAS TO TALK ABOUT YOUR PLANS FOR THE DNC, TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DISAGREEMENTS, THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN HAVING.

BUT THEN, OF COURSE, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, WE WERE CONFRONTED WITH A HORRIFIC MURDER OF STATE REPRESENTATIVES MELISSA HORTON AND HER HUSBAND AND ALSO THE WOUNDING OF STATE SENATOR JOHN HOFFMAN AND HIS WIFE.

THANKFULLY, THEY SEEM TO BE RECOVERING.

YOU HAVE KNOWN HER FOR A LONG TIME, YOU ARE THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE PARTY IN MINNESOTA.

IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE ME A MEMORY OF REPRESENTATIVE PORTMAN, A LONG-STANDING SPEAKER THE HOUSE, ONE OF THE LONGEST SERVING AND UNDERTOOK DEPOSITION AT A RELATIVELY YOUNG AGE.

WHAT IS YOUR MOST SIGNIFICANT MEMORY OF HER?

>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING AND LET ME SAY AS A PROUD MINNESOTAN, MY HEART BREAKS OBVIOUSLY FOR ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES BACK HOME IN MINNESOTA IMAGINE WAKING UP TO THE NEWS SATURDAY AS I DID AND MANY MINNESOTANS DID THAT THERE HAD BEEN A SHOOTING IN ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER IT WAS THE HOMES OF SOME LETTUCE LEADERS AND TO FIND OUT LATER IN THE DAY TWO OF YOUR VERY CLOSE FRIENDS, MELISSA AND MARK, WHO I HAVE KNOWN OVER HALF OF MY LIFE WERE ASSASSINATED.

TWO OF MY OTHER FRIENDS WERE, THEY TENDED TO MURDER THEM AS WELL.

MELISSA HORTMAN WAS AN AMAZING CHANGE MAKER IN OUR STATE.

SHE WON IN 2004, CAME INTO THE LEGISLATURE AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO CLIMB THE RANKS.

IN 2018 WHEN WE WENT BACK THE HOUSE MAJORITY, SHE BECAME THE SPEAKER.

ONE OF OUR LONGEST SERVING SPEAKERS.

FRANKLY, ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL.

WHEN TIM WALZ WAS PUT ON THE TICKET BY KAMALA HARRIS LAST FALL, THE FIRST CALL HE MADE WAS TO SPEAKER HORTMAN.

WHAT HE SAID IS THANK YOU.

TAKE YOU FOR ALL YOU DID BECAUSE, IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU I WOULD NOT BE ON THE TICKET.

THAT IS TRUE BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE REMARKABLE LEGISLATION THAT PASSED IN MINNESOTA, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE MINNESOTA MIRACLE, SHE WAS THE ARCHITECT OF IT.

SHE WAS THE PERSON WHO NOT ONLY PUSHED FOR IT BUT WAS PERSISTENT AND RELENTLESS IN MAKING SURE OTHER DEMOCRATS UNDERSTOOD THAT POWER IS FLEETING.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE POWER YOU HAVE TO USE IT TO MAKE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU COULD.

TRULY, SHE LEAVES AN AMAZING LEGACY.

A REMARKABLE LEGACY THAT WILL IMPACT GENERATIONS OF MINNESOTANS TO COME.

IT IS SO DEVASTATING ON A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL TO SOMEONE I WAS SO CLOSE TO.

FOR THE STATE, SHE WAS SUCH AN AMAZING LEADER.

OUR HEARTS BREAK, I'LL MINNESOTANS, REGARDLESS OF PARTY ARE IN PAIN RIGHT NOW.

I WISH I WAS BACK HOME WITH THEM.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE SO.

LIKE YOU AND LIKE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE, I WOKE UP TO THIS NEWS.

AT FIRST I WAS SHOCKED.

THEN I THOUGHT, SHOULD I BE SHOCKED?

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OVER THE LAST MONTHS AND FEW YEARS, WE KNOW TWO ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS DIRECTED AT TRUMP.

THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA'S HOME WAS FIREBOMBED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHILE HIS FAMILY SLEPT.

NOT TO MENTION THE JANUARY 6 MOB ATTACK ON THE CAPITAL.

I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS IT IS SHOCKING ON THE ONE HAND BUT, IS IT REALLY SHOCKING?

I THINK THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION.

THE REALITY IS, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY BOTH THIS WEEKEND AND EVEN BEFORE, THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE AS AMERICA.

I WOULD SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS WHO WE ARE.

IT IS NOT WHO WE SHOULD BE.

IT IS NOT WE NEED TO BE.

MEANING THAT WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

IF YOU REJECT THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE AND DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANY MORE OF IT, WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS WHO WE HAVE BECOME AS A COUNTRY.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THIS IS PERMANENT.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THIS IS WHO WE NEED TO BE.

IT REQUIRES ALL OF US IN THIS MOMENT TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST POLITICAL VIOLENCE OF ANY FORM OR KIND.

>> LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT YOU THINK YOUR ROLE IS RIGHT NOW.

I DO NOT KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME YOU DO NOT RUN FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE SO YOU WILL BE OFFERING CONDOLENCES TO THE COUNTRY AT A TIME LIKE THIS BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS YOUR TASK RIGHT NOW.

ON A BROADER SENSE, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS YOUR ROLE AS CHAIRMAN OF ONE OF THE GREAT CLINICAL PARTIES IN AMERICA?

>> WE ARE THE OLDEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY.

THE OLDEST AND LONGEST ENDURING DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD.

MY ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT NOW IS SINGULAR.

TO WIN ELECTIONS.

TO PUT US BACK INTO POWER.

ACTUALLY HELP US STOP THIS TYRANT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE STORY THE VALUES OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

FOR ME, A FIERCE FOCUS ON BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE EVERYWHERE.

OUR PHILOSOPHY HERE IS VERY SIMPLE, WHEN YOU ORGANIZE EVERYWHERE, YOU CAN WIN ANYWHERE.

AS A RESULT, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DO THAT.

I AM FOUR MONTHS ON THE JOB AND WE HAVE OVER PERFORMED OUR ONE TWO OR TWO OR WON SINCE TRUMP WAS ON THE BALLOT.

THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY IN EVERY CRISIS AND RIGHT NOW THAT OPPORTUNITY IS WE CAN EXPAND OUR COALITION TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO EITHER LEFT OUR PARTY, SUPPORTED DONALD TRUMP AND ARE HAVING BUYERS REMORSE OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FELT ABANDONED BY OUR PARTY.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM HOPE THAT BETTER DAYS ARE AHEAD AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES FIGHTING FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.

>> WHAT IS THE CRISIS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

IS THAT A CRISIS OF BRAND?

A CRISIS OF MESSAGE OR A CRISIS OF IDEAS?

>> I THINK IT IS ALL OF IT IF I AM BEING HONEST.

LET ME START WITH LAST SPRING, THERE WAS RESEARCH THAT SHOWED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MODERN HISTORY THAT THE PERCEPTIONS OF THE TWO POLITICAL PARTIES HAS FLIPPED.

THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS NOW BELIEVE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BEST REPRESENTS THE INTEREST OF THE MIDDLE CLASS, THE WORKING CLASS AND THE POOR.

AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THE PARTY OF THE WEALTHY AND ELITE.

THAT IS A THING INDICTMENT - - YOU KNOW THIS AS WELL AS I DO, MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY DO NOT VOTE ON POLICY AND ISSUES THEY VOTE ON PERCEPTIONS AND FEELINGS.

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE FEELING FORGOTTEN, WHO ARE FEELING LEFT BEHIND AND FEELING LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOES NOT PRESENT THEM ANYMORE OR, IS NOT FIGHTING HARD ENOUGH FOR THEM AND THEIR COMMUNITY'S.

THAT PERCEPTION WILL TAKE TIME TO CHANGE.

WHEN I SAY THERE'S A CRISIS, THERE IS A CRISIS OF BRAND AND IDENTITY.

A CRISIS OF PERCEPTION.

WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GIVING PEOPLE A SENSE WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT HARD FOR THEM WHEN WE ARE BACK IN POWER.

IN THIS MOMENT, WHEN THINGS ARE SO CHAOTIC IN WASHINGTON, D. C. , WE ALSO HAD TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

THE REALITY IS, IN 2016, SOMEONE SAID TO ME THE REPUBLICANS ARE SHAMELESS BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SPINELESS.

IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT HARD AGAINST DONALD TRUMP RIGHT NOW, HOW DO WE BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN VOTERS WILL THINK WE WOULD FIGHT FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES IF THEY PUT US BACK IN POWER?

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERYWHERE I GO TO DEMOCRATS.

IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT, FOR THE THINGS WE BELIEVE IN THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO WE REALLY BELIEVE IN THEM AT ALL?

>> WHOSE FAULT IT IS?

>> I THINK IT IS ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR MANY YEARS.

THE REALITY IS, THIS IS NOT A SINGULAR OCCURRENCE OF ONE ELECTION.

WE HAVE BEEN LOSING GROUND WITH PEOPLE FOR YEARS.

>> WHY?

>> WHY?

I THINK THERE IS A MULTITUDE OF FACTORS WHY WE HAVE BEEN LOSING GROUND.

I WOULD ARGUE ONE IS HOW WE CAMPAIGN.

WE SHOP THREE TO FOUR MONTHS BEFORE AN ELECTION, THE FIRST CONVERSATION WE HAVE WITH VOTERS IS ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR PARTY AND CANDIDATES WHICH IS TO VOTE FOR THE BEST.

WE DO NOT SHOW UP FOR TWO YEARS AND AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION.

VOTERS DO NOT BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THEM AS PEOPLE, AS HUMANS.

WE DO NOT REALLY INVEST IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THAT WE ARE NOT INVESTED IN THEIR SUCCESS.

PART OF IT IS HOW WE CAMPAIGN.

WE NEED YEAR-ROUND ORGANIZING WHAT WE HAVE IN MINNESOTA, WHERE THE FIRST CONVERSATION WE HAVE WITH VOTERS IS NOT TRANSACTIONAL BUT ASKING VOTERS WITH THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS ARE FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES AND EVENTUALLY BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP AROUND SHARED VALUES.

AND ONLY AFTER WE HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR THEIR VOTE ASKING THEM TO VOTE FOR OUR PARTY AND CANDIDATES.

I WOULD ARGUE, ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE LOST IS BECAUSE THE WAY WE TREAT VOTERS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES AS COMMODITIES.

AND ALSO, WHEN WE GET INTO OFFICE, WE DO NOT ACTUALLY DELIVER ON THE PROMISES WE MADE.

>> HERE'S WHERE I HAD TO JUMP IN AND ASK.

YOUR FIRST FOUR MONTHS IN OFFICE HAS BEEN TAKEN UP WITH OR AT LEAST PUBLICLY SEE, DISPUTES WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PARTY, PEOPLE AT THE OUTGOING VICE CHAIR, DAVID HOGG.

SOME OF WHICH TWO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT DEMOCRATS OVERPROMISING AND UNDER DELIVERING IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN THING.

>> I HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH WHAT DAVID HOGG IS TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK PRIMARIES ARE IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HOLD ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE PRIMARY SO WE BRING NEW VOICES INTO THE PARTY PROCESS.

LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.

I PUSHED A NEUTRALITY PLEDGE LONG BEFORE DAVID HOGG WAS EVER INVOLVED IN DEMOCRATIC POLITICS IN 2017, AFTER THE 16 ELECTION, I WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE SUPERDELEGATE REFORM ON THE RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE AND I BROUGHT A NEUTRALITY PLEDGE FORWARD AT THAT TIME.

I BELIEVE GOT OUR WIN IS BY EXPANDING OUR COALITION TO ADDITION NOT SUBSCRIPTION.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, PEOPLE WHO WERE A PART OF THE PARTY APPARATUS SHOULDN'T TAKE SIDE?

>> YEAH, PARTY OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING THEIR THUMB ON THE SCALE AND PICKING WINNERS OR LOSERS.

OUR JOB IS TO STAY AT A PRIMARY FIGHTS AND LET THE WILL OF THE PRIMARY VOTERS MAIL.

WHOEVER THEY CHOOSE, WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE, WE WORK TO GET ELECTED.

WHY DOES THAT MATTER TO ME?

JUST LIKE DAVID, I BELIEVE WE WIN THROUGH ADDITION NOT SUBTRACTION.

WE WIN BY BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE PARTY, NOT BY PUSHING THEM OUT.

>> WHAT WAS SO DANGEROUS ABOUT HIS IDEA?

DAVID HOGG IS A YOUNG MAN WHO FIRST CAME TO PUBLIC ATTENTION AS A SURVIVOR OF THE PARKLAND HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING IN FLORIDA.

WHICH IS WHERE HE WENT.

AND BECAME ACTIVE AS A LATVIAN PEOPLE HAVE, AROUND THE ISSUE OF GUN VIOLENCE.

AS THEY ARE SO DIRECTLY AFFECTED IN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

WHICH OF ALSO TRAGICALLY BECOME COMMONPLACE.

HE HAS GONE TO COLLEGE, HE IS NOW READY FOR THIS POSITION IN THE PARTY.

AND HAD THIS NOTION OF, CREATING A PACKED TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE, WELL, I GUESS TO CHALLENGE INCUMBENTS WHO HE FELT WERE UNDERPERFORMING.

WHY IS THAT SUCH A BAD IDEA IN YOUR OPINION?

>> I DID NOT SAY IT WAS A BAD IDEA.

I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU CANNOT DO BOTH.

YOU CANNOT BE THE REFEREE WHEN YOUR JOB IS TO CREATE A FAIR AND LEVEL LANGFIELD FOR ALL CANDIDATES.

AND FRANKLY, THEIR SUPPORTERS, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM PARTY BOSSES.

AND ALSO BE INVOLVED IN A PACT THAT IN FACT IS INVOLVED IN PRIMARIES.

YOU CANNOT DO BOTH.

THIS WAS NOT A QUESTION OF IMPUGNING HIS MOTIVES OR WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO AT ALL.

ONLY TO SAY WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS PARTY LEADERS, OUR CHIEF RESPONSIBILITY IS TO STAY OUT OF PRIMARIES BECAUSE IT IS NOT UP TO US TO INFLUENCE IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR AN INCUMBENT OR CHALLENGER.

OUR JOB IS TO STAY OUT BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT SUPPORTERS OF CANDIDATES TO FEEL LIKE THEIR VOICE DID NOT MATTER.

LIKE THEY DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.

LIKE THEY DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FAIRLY COMPETE FOR THE PARTY NOMINATION.

IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WILL HELP US GROW THE PARTY AND BRING NEW VOICES IN, ESPECIALLY VOICES OF YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO ARE DISILLUSIONED WITH THE PARTY IS MAKING SURE PARTY BOSSES ARE NOT PUTTING THEIR THUMBS ON THE SCALE.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT IMPUGNING DAVID'S MOTIVES AT ALL.

I AM A BIG FAN OF HIS.

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT DAVID HOGG.

JUST THE OPPOSITE, THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT MY LONG-STANDING BELIEF, FOR MANY YEARS OUR PARTY SHOULD BE NEUTRAL IN PRIMARIES AND INCLUSIVE.

>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT BUT, DAVID HOGG WAS ELECTED TO THAT POSITION JUST AS YOU WERE AND IF THAT IS A DIFFERENT VISION, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A STRONG VIEW OF THE MATTER BUT HE WAS ELECTED JUST LIKE YOU, WHY NOT JUST LET IT PLAY OUT?

>> IT DID PLAY OUT AND DAVID DECIDED TO RESIGN HIS POSITION BEFORE THERE WAS ANOTHER VOTE.

>> 71% OF DEMOCRATS AND 78% OF AMERICANS OVERALL THINK THE PARTY HAS BEEN IN AFFECTED - - INEFFECTIVE IN STANDING UP TO DROP.

FOCUS GROUPS LICHEN REPUBLICANS TO LIONS AND DEMOCRATS TO'S LAWS.

-- >> PEOPLE HAVE TO THROW A PUNCH.

JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, WHEN THERE IS A CHILD WHO DIED OF MEASLES IN TEXAS, I SENT A TWEET THAT SAID ROBERT KENNEDY MURDERED ANOTHER CHILD.

THE FIRST PEOPLE TO COMPLAIN OF COURSE, THE DEMOCRATS.

>> WHAT DID THEY SAY?

>> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT SOME OF THEM SAID.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO PRESERVE THE OPTION TO WORK WITH THESE FOLKS.

WE SHOULDN'T BE SO AGGRESSIVE IN OUR MESSAGING.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

WHEN WE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY FOR DEMOCRATS TO WORRY ABOUT OFFENDING SOMEONE.

TO THROW A PUNCH AND THEN PULL IT BACK BECAUSE WE USED THE WRONG WORDS.

YOU THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE ANY COMPUNCTION WHEN THEY GET INTO OFFICE?

NO, THEY RUSH FORWARD WITH THEIR AGENDA AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT OFFENDING DEMOCRATS OR EVEN WORKING WITH DEMOCRATS.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVE TO STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL.

THAT WE HAVE TO LIE AND EXCHANGE MISINFORMATION.

BUT, WE DO HAVE TO THROW A PUNCH.

WE DO HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIGHT FOR OUR VALUES.

WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THEM AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.

IT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU SEE RESEARCH THAT.

THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT HARD FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT CONTRIBUTES TO PERCEPTIONS AND FEELINGS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS ABANDONED THEM AND THEIR FEELINGS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE IMMIGRATION WHERE, CLEARLY SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ENGAGING IN IS DISTASTEFUL TO MANY AMERICANS BUT OTHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH IT.

HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THE DEMOCRATS NAVIGATE THAT?

>> DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THAT WE NEED BORDER SECURITY.

IN FACT, PRESIDENT BIDEN AND OTHERS NEGOTIATED WITH THE MOST REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF THE U. S. SENATE AND JAMES LANKFORD FROM OKLAHOMA LAST YEAR.

A BIPARTISAN DEAL TO BRING FORWARD STRICT BORDER SECURITY AND IMMIGRATION REFORM.

WHO KILLED THE BILL?

DONALD TRUMP.

DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS WALKED AWAY FROM IT.

GUESS WHAT?

THEY NOW HAVE COMPLETE UNIFIED CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT.

WHERE IS THEIR IMMIGRATION BILL?

WHERE IS THEIR IMMIGRATION POLICY TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BORDER SECURITY?

>> THEY ARGUE THEIR POLICY IS MASS DEPORTATION.

THAT IS NOT A SECRET.

THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

>> MY POINT IS, THAT POLICY IS CHAOTIC AND DYSFUNCTIONAL.

IT IS NOT HELPING US SOLVE THE ISSUE IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT YES, THE REPUBLICANS CAN TALK ALL THEY WANT ABOUT PUTTING POLICIES FORWARD BUT, WHAT WE SEE ON THE STREETS WHEN YOU'RE ROUNDING UP PEOPLE INDISCRIMINATELY, WHEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY CREATING CHAOS AROUND THIS ISSUE, IT IS NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.

IT MIGHT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD TO ROUND PEOPLE UP AND SAY YOU ARE DEPORTING THEM BUT, WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THIS COUNTRY.

EVEN DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS ARE LOSING GROUND BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION AND DEPORTATION.

WE, AS A PARTY, WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY AND OF COURSE, ORDER SECURITY.

THE REPUBLICANS REFUSED TO DO IT AND INSTEAD, THEY ARE JUST INFLICTING CHAOS AND DYSFUNCTION THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY TO THESE MASS DEPORTATIONS THAT WILL NOT ACTUALLY SOLVE THE ISSUE, IT IS MAKING IT WORSE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, NIKKI SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

I HOPE WE WILL TALK AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU.