JIM: THIS WEEK ON "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT," SABINA MATOS CONTINUES TO BE THE FOCAL POINT OF THE CD1 RACE BUT NOT FOR THE REASON SHE WAS HOPING.

MEETS THE WINNER OF THIS YEAR'’S RHODE ISLAND PBS SCHOLARSHIP.

>> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I'’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.

JIM: JOINING US, SUE CIENKI.

LOU PULNER.

AND POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR, JIM VINCENT.

SABINA MATOS SUFFERED SOME FRIENDLY FIRE FROM A CONGRESSMAN SHE BROUGHT IN TO CAMPAIGN FOR HER IN THE CD1 RACE.

AT RIHANNA -- ADRIANO CALLED HER A VICTIM OF HER OWN SIGNATURE SCANDAL.

HERE IS A PORTION OF THE VIDEO FROM NBC 10.

THE FIRST QUESTION COMES FROM THE STATION'’S POLITICAL REPORTER, THE SECOND EXCHANGE IS WITH KATE, THE NEWS EDITOR FROM GO LOCAL PROV.

>> YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF DISCRIMINATION?

>> WE HAVE BEEN BEAT UP FOR THREE OR FOUR WEEKS FOR SOMETHING THAT TURNED OUT TO BE NOTHING.

SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FAIRNESS ON HOW I AM TREATED.

>> THERE ARE NAMES OF DEAD PEOPLE ON SOME OF THE FORMS AND PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DID NOT SIGN.

IT IS NOT NOTHING.

>> WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEONE WHO ADMITTED THAT THE PERSON LIED TO ME.

THAT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED SO I DON'’T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

>> WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO VICTIMIZE THE VICTIM.

SHE IS A DECENT WOMAN.

WE TRUST HER.

WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT HER.

WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT HER.

DEPORTED ELECTION SAID THERE IS NOTHING THERE.

SHE IS GOING TO PROCEED WITH HER CAMPAIGN.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION WHERE SHE IS GOING TO BE VICTIMIZED.

>> AS A WOMAN, DO YOU APPRECIATE BEING INTERRUPTED BY A MAN WHEN YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING?

>> YOU GET INTERRUPTED OFTEN AS A REPORTER.

YOU CAN ASK YOUR COLLEAGUES.

JIM: THE COMMERCE AND WAS IN TOWN TO STOP FOR SABINA MATOS.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS INTERCHANGE AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE SAID ABOUT SABINA MATOS BEING SINGLED OUT BECAUSE -- ABOUT SABINA MATOS BEING SENT ABOUT BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN?

JIM V: THOSE ARE SOME SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS.

IN IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT HAS BEEN OVERDONE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON.

CERTAINLY SIGNATURES ARE IMPORTANT, OF COURSE.

FORGERIES AND DEAD PEOPLE HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TALKED ABOUT EVERYDAY ALL DAY FOR THREE WEEKS?

THAT MIGHT BE MUCH.

OUT OF FRUSTRATION, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT COME TO OTHER CONCLUSIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT IS.

I AM NOT HERE TO SAY WHY I THINK IT IS, BUT I KNOW IT DOES SEEM TO BE EXCESSIVE IN TERMS OF THE COVERAGE ABOUT THESE SIGNATURES GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING.

SHE HAS A 726 OR 730 GOOD SIGNATURES.

THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

SHE IS ON THE BALLOT.

SHE IS GOING TO BE THERE SEPTEMBER 5.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF THE LONG RUN BECAUSE THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE BOARD OF ELECTION.

I'’M OF THE ATTONEY GENERAL IS INVESTIGATING.

MAYBE WE CAN WAIT FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL '’S INVESTIGATION TO CONCLUDE AND LOOK AT IT THEN.

I DON'’T THINK DOING IT AT THE PRIMARY IS APPROPRIATE.

IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AFTER THE GENERAL ELECTION.

JIM: 43% OF HER SIGNATURES WERE DEEMED NOT LEGITIMATE.

SUE: THERE ARE A LOT OF MISSTEPS ON HER CAMPAIGN.

IF SHE HAD COME OUT AND SAID I HIRED SOMEONE TO HELP US GET SIGNATURES, THAT PERSON DID NOT DO WHAT I EXPECTED HIM TO DO WHICH WAS TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT SIGNED THE SIGNATURES WAS A REGISTERED, VALID VOTER, AND WE APPLY THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS FOR STOPPING THIS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY BELIEVES WE HAVE FAIR AND ACCURATE ELECTIONS.

SHE DID NOT COME OUT AND SAY THAT, SHE DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT IS LIKE BLOOD IN THE WATER FOR REPORTERS.

THEY WANT TO GO AFTER SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.

FOR HER TO NOT TO THE PROCESS, THE REASON WHY THEY LOOKED AT HER SIGNATURES WAS BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

THAT IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE FILES A COMPLAINT WITH THE BOE, THAT IS WHEN THE PROCESS STARTS.

43% IS A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER TO GET THROWN OUT.

WE ALWAYS TELL OUR CANDIDATES ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET DOUBLE BECAUSE SOME ARE GOING TO GET THROWN OUT.

IT CAN BE AS AN ASSENT SOMEBODY NOT LIVING IN THE DISTRICT AND SIGNING THE PAPER WHERE SOMEBODY HAS MOVED AND THEIR SIGNATURE GETS THROWN OUT.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE SIGNATURE VERIFICATIONS ARE SUBJECTIVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS, THEY ARE SUBJECTIVE WHO GETS TURNOUT AND WHO DOESN'’T.

HER BASED MISTAKE WAS NOT COMING OUT RIGHT AWAY -- BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS NOT COMING OUT RIGHT AWAY -- JIM: AND TAKING FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

LOU: SHE IS THE VICTIM OF BAD HIRING, BUT THIS CONGRESSMAN OF NEW YORK DID HER NO FAVORS AND HE ACCUSES RHODE ISLAND OF TREATING HER IN CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE WE ARE RACIST AND SEXIST.

HER CAMPAIGN WENT FROM BAD TO WORSE I THINK HE DID HER NO FAVORS.

SHE CANNOT GET OUT OF HER OWN WAY RIGHT NOW.

JIM V: WHEN THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TALKED ABOUT 43%, THEY DID NOT THINK THAT WAS UNUSUAL.

OTHER PEOPLE HAD 43% OR MORE THROWN OUT.

JIM: I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

JIM V: THEY DID SAY THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE HIGH OR LOW.

ALSO, I DON'’T THINK THE COMMITMENT WAS CALLING RHODE ISLAND RACIST, THEY WERE SAYING THE MEDIA TREATED HER UNFAIRNESS PERHAPS BECAUSE OF HER RACE.

JIM: HE SAID THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN OF COLOR.

JIM V: I THINK HE IS INDICTING THE MEDIA.

LOU: THAT IS THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND.

I THINK IT IS A PRETTY BROAD BRUSH.

JIM: THEY THOUGHT WAS DOMINICAN CONGRESSMAN, SHE IS DOMINICAN, WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY.

TO HAVE SOME TO COME IN, SHE WAS NOT GOING TO SCRIPT IT.

EVEN IF YOU THINK THAT IS THE SOURCE OF IT, RHODE ISLANDERS ARE GOING TO BECOME DEFENSIVE ABOUT WHO ARE YOU TO COME IN AND TALK TO US LIKE THAT.

SUE: WHO ARE YOU TO TELL US HOW TO BEHAVE.

I THINK PEOPLE GOT INSULTED SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU BRING SOMEONE TO STOP FOR YOU.

-- STUMP FOR YOU?

IT TURNS OUT THAT HE HAD ISSUES IN NEW YORK WITH SIGNATURE GATHERING.

YOU PROP SOMEONE WITH THE SAME PROBLEM, HOW IS HE GOING TO REACT TO THE MEDIA AND THE PEOPLE HERE?

THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS RACE, YOU DON'’T NEED THAT MANY PEOPLE TO WIN THAT PRIMARY.

IS IT GOING TO HURT HER?

SHE STILL HAS NAME RECOGNITION.

I STILL BELIEVE IT IS A RACE BETWEEN HER AND ERIN.

IT IS GOING TO BE A GROUND GAME.

WHO GOES OUT AND GETS THOSE MAIL BALLOTS?

WHO GETS EARLY VOTING AND HAS PEOPLE SHOW UP?

LOU: IT IS SUCH A BORING RACE.

IT IS LIKE EATING SALTINES WITH DRY MOUTH.

JIM V: SHE IS GOING TO BE JUDGING WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT SHE SAYS SHE IS GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF GUN CONTROL AND CHOICE AND FINDING -- FIGHTING THE MAGA REPUBLICANS.

SHE WILL BE JUDGED ON THAT AND WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAS THE GROUND GAME.

I THINK THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF HER BEING BEAT UP THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE.

JIM: IN A NORMAL RACE LIKE THE GOVERNOR'’S RACE OR WE HAD LAST YEAR, HE STARTED TO GO NEGATIVE BECAUSE IT IS ONE CANDIDATE.

YOU HAVE PRECIOUS RESOURCES.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO NEGATIVE, YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND -- LET'’S SAY YOU ARE DON CROSSAN OR SANDRA CANO, MAYBE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN SABINA MATOS.

WHO IS THE ONE YOU'’RE GOING TO TURN TO?

I THINK THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SEEN GET TO KNOW ME ADVERTISING.

IT HAS BEEN PRETTY BLAH.

LOU: THAT IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IN IOWA.

NOBODY WANTS TO DO UP ALL OVER TRUMP.

THEY ARE DOING IT IN A NUANCED WAY.

IT IS BORING.

JIM V: THE ADVERTISEMENTS ARE THE SAME ADVERTISEMENTS.

EVERY ADVERTISEMENT HAS MENTIONED MAGA REPUBLICANS.

JIM: THE CONSULTANT -- SUE: I THINK THE CONSULTANTS ARE SAYING THIS IS THE WAY YOU OPERATE.

WHEN YOU GET ELECTED, YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT EVERYBODY.

YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE A BROAD SPECTRUM.

YOU ARE INSULTING 41% OF THE ELECTORATE.

LOU: JOE BIDEN IS INSULTING ALMOST EVERY DAY 70 MORE MILLION AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP.

SUE: YOU CANNOT DO THAT.

YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT I STAND FOR, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES IN RHODE ISLAND THAT PEOPLE ARE IGNORING.

WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES IN THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE IGNORING.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO BRING TO THE TABLE?

JIM V: THAT IS WHY THEY LEAD WITH GUN CONTROL AND BEING PRO-CHOICE.

THOSE ARE THE ISSUES MOST OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES HAVE FOCUSED ON.

THE MAGA REPUBLICAN THING HAS BEEN DROPPED INTO THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS BUT MOST HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE ISSUES AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO WIN.

JIM: THERE IS NO DEGREE OF SEPARATION BECAUSE I LISTED TO BILL BARTHOLOMEW'’S PODCAST, THE GLOBE HAVING A DEBATE, PBS RHODE ISLAND, AND 10 AND 12 WILL ALL DO THAT.

WHAT IS GOING TO SEPARATE THEM?

DO YOU SHARE MUCH DIFFERENCE?

SUE: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, THAT SHE GOT DEAD PEOPLE TO SIGN HER LIST AND ERIN HAS JANE?

ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 45 -- JIM V: I NEVER HEARD.

SUE: THEY DON'’T KNOW WHAT YOU'’RE TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'’T KNOW, MAYBE IT IS THE PAC FUNDRAISING FOR HIM.

HE SAYS DON'’T USE DARK MONEY AND THAT HE IS USING IT.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANY OF THEM.

REPORTER: -- JIM V: IT GOES BACK TO THE GROUND GAME.

JIM: IT IS BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

SUE: WHO IS ON THE GROUND, GET TO KNOW THE CANDIDATE.

IT IS NAME RECOGNITION AND THAT IS WHAT I SAY MATOS AND GUTENBERG HAVE THE MOST.

JIM V: I AGREE.

IT IS BRUISE ON THE GROUND.

THEY ARE PROBABLY THE FRONT RUNNERS.

SUE: WHAT HAS SHE DONE AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?

JIM: THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER.

SHE WAS PRESIDENT -- JIM V: SHE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

JIM: PRESIDENT TRUMP FACED HIS FOURTH INDICTMENT IN GEORGIA.

IT HAS MORE OF A NUANCE THAN SOME OF THE FEDERAL CHARGES.

WE ARE TIPPING ON THURSDAY.

WE UNDERSTAND MARK MEADOWS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ASKING TO MOVE TO FEDERAL COURT.

LET ME START WITH A PRACTICING ATTORNEY, WHEN YOU SAW THIS, GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THE INDICTMENT IN GEORGIA.

LOU: 41 COUNTS, 18 CO-DEFENDANTS AND IT IS RICO, RACKETEERING INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS.

THAT IS A MANDATORY FIVE YEAR JAIL SENTENCE IF CONVICTED.

I AM NOT SAYING HE WILL BE CONVICTED, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT SMELLS ABOUT THE THINGS HE DID POST ELECTION IN 2020.

WHAT I DID THINK WAS PROBLEMATIC IS THE FACT THAT VONNIE WILLIS, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN GEORGIA , HAS HAD SINCE JANUARY OF 2022 BREAK DISCHARGES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE IS HUSTLING IN WITNESSES AND KEEPING THE COURTHOUSE OPEN UNTIL 8:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT TO GET AN INDICTMENT ON A PARTICULAR DATE.

I THINK IT IS PILING ON.

I THINK THAT DOESN'’T REEK OF POLITICS AND AT SOME POINT IT IS GOING TO BACKFIRE.

IT IS VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE FACTS.

HE MADE THE PHONE CALLS, HE IS LOOKING FOR 11,780 VOTES, THREATENING THE ELECTION SUPERVISOR.

I THINK HE HAS SOME TROUBLE THERE BUT NOT AS MUCH AS HE DOES WITH MAR-A-LAGO AND HIDING THE DOCUMENTS.

JIM: FROM A PROSECUTOR'’S STANDPOINT, MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DEFENDANTS OR DOES THAT MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE THEY START TO TURN ON EACH OTHER?

JIM V: THAT IS -- LOU: THAT IS WHAT THE HOPE WAS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TRY EATING PEOPLE WITH THEIR LEGAL TEAMS IN A PROGRAM.

I THINK THERE WILL BE SOMEONE TURNING AND COOPERATING.

ONCE THAT HAPPENS, IT WILL BE EASY TO GET A CONVICTION.

JIM V: THE FIVE-YEAR MANDATORY IS KEEPING HIM UP LATE.

HIM TALKING ABOUT ALL I NEED IS 11,780 VOTES, GIVE ME A BREAK.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO HUNT HIM.

I THINK HE'’S IN BIG TROUBLE.

THE FACT THAT IT IS TELEVISED, IF IT IS GOING TO BE IN GEORGIA, THAT IS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

HE DOESN'’T WANT PUBLICITY.

I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO GOVERNORS THAT CANNOT PARDON YOU IN THE U.S.

IN ONE OF THEM IS THE GEORGIA GOVERNOR.

HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A PARDON.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAPPINGS OF PROBLEMS FOR HIM.

RUDY GIULIANI, THE WOULD-BE PRESIDENT IS NOT THE WIDESPREAD EMBARRASSMENT, HE IS PROBABLY THINKING HOW HE CAN STAY OUT OF JAIL.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

SUE: I THINK THE RICO CHARGES RIDICULOUS.

IT IS A TYPICAL MOVE BY A TYPICAL MOVE BY PROSECUTOR TO THROW SPAGHETTI AGAINST THE WALL TO SEE WHAT STICKS.

I THINK THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

IN TERMS OF ALL THE INDICTMENTS, I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT IS PROBLEMATIC IS PROBABLY THE ONE IN FLORIDA WITH MAR-A-LAGO.

WHEN THE FEDS ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AND YOU SAY NO AND THEY FIND OUT YOU DO, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.

THIS I THINK IS RIDICULOUS.

LOU: THAT GOES BACK TO THE AGE-OLD IS NOT THE CRIME ITSELF, IT IS THE COVER-UP.

HE KEPT MOVING THE BOXES AROUND.

SUE: THAT IS THE PROBLEMATIC ONE.

THIS ONE I THINK IS RIDICULOUS.

IT IS AS IF THE PROSECUTOR SAID I AM GOING TO GET MY NAME IN HIGHLIGHTS INSTEAD OF REALLY LOOKING AT THE CASE AND SAYING DOES THIS MAKE SENSE, DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE?

TO BRING IN SOME OF THE LAWYERS WHO ARE MAKING COMMENTS, I AM NOT SURE IT IS A VALID CASE.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN I DON'’T THINK HE CAN GET CONVICTED.

YEAH, BUT THEN IT GETS TURNED DOWN ON APPEAL.

IT IS A BIG PROBLEM.

JIM V: I THINK SHE WENT TO THE RIGHT WAY IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE BOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THE CONVICTION.

I THINK SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED.

KUNA BX -- A PERIOD, YESTERDAY, 57% OF AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK HE SHOULD BE FOUND GUILTY OF A FEDERAL CHARGE.

THEY THINK HE IS GUILTY ALREADY.

SUE: THE ONE IN MAR-A-LAGO IS A FEDERAL CHARGE AND THE OTHER PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK TOOK A STEP BACK WHEN JACK SMITH CAME OUT.

ELECTIONS ARE STATE RUN.

THIS WAS A FEDERAL ELECTION.

THIS WAS FOR A FEDERAL OFFICE.

EVERYBODY ELSE TOOK A STEP BACK AND SHE STEPPED UP IN GEORGIA.

JIM: IF YOU ARE TRYING TO MOVE INTO FEDERAL COURT, LET'’S PLAY THAT OUT.

SOME PEOPLE DON'’T WANT TO MOVE INTO FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE OF A VARIETY OF REASONS.

LOU: YOU WANT TO WATCH IT ON TV.

JIM: EXACTLY.

WHO TRIES THE CASE?

HER INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS HAVE LOOKED INTO IT.

DOES A GET TRANSFERRED TO A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR?

LOU: IT WOULD HAVE TO.

JIM: AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CATCH UP TO SPEED.

LOU: SHE SLAPPED THIS TOGETHER LAST MINUTE AND THAT IS IMMERSING.

JIM: AND REEKS OF POLITICS.

LOU: WE WILL GET TO THE TWO-TIERED JUDICIAL SYSTEM MAYBE LATER IN THE SHOW.

JIM: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS.

EVERY TIME TRUMP GETS INDICTED, THE BASE RESPONDS.

I WONDER HOW THAT CONTINUES INTO NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

I KNOW IT IS A CRYSTAL BALL QUESTION.

IS THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS BEGAN TO SAY WE WANT THIS KIND OF OUR NOMINEE?

SUE: I ALWAYS SAVE NOVEMBER 2024 IS A LONG TIME AWAY.

WE DON'’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BASE THAT IS GOING TO WRITE OR DIE PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THEY FEEL HE HAS BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY.

THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES AS FAR BACK AS 2016 WITH HILLARY CLINTON SAYING HE WAS NOT A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT.

KAMALA HARRIS SAID ELECTION SHOULD BE ONE DAY, WE SHOULD NOT USE THE ELECTRONIC ELECTION SYSTEM.

PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WHY ARE YOU TREATING HIM UNFAIRLY?

I THINK SOMETIMES HE SHOOTS HIMSELF IN HIS OWN FOOT AND MAKES MISTAKES THAT ARE UNFORCED ERRORS.

WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

I DON'’T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN THE POLLS.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE BEING REACTIVE TO THIS PILING ON OF INDICTMENTS.

JIM: WE HAVE A DREAD HAVE LEFT.

SUE: YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

LOU: HE MAY BE IN COURT THAT WHOLE YEAR.

SUE: THAT IS THE THING.

HE IS BEING DISTRACTED IN A WAY THAT HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THESE LEGAL ISSUES.

HOW CAN YOU RUN AN EFFECTIVE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WHEN YOU DON'’T HAVE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND?

YOU ARE NOT BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

JIM: IT IS A MEDIA CAMPAIGN.

JIM V: EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT THINK IT IS POLITICAL, THEY THINK HE IS GUILTY IN ALL FOUR CASES.

HE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO WIN A GENERAL ELECTION.

HE BETTER HOPE FOR A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE.

HE IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE REGARDLESS.

I DON'’T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO KNOCK HIM OFF.

GOVERNOR DESANTIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CANDIDATE.

JIM: ARE YOU ADOPTING TRUMP NICKNAMES?

JIM V: HE HAS EARNED IT.

IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, ONE-ON-ONE AGAINST BIDEN, IT COULD BE A BIGGER BIDEN WIN THAN IN 2020.

SUE: I DON'’T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

JIM: WE HAVE HARMONY.

THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS BASED ON A CASE BROUGHT INVOLVING HARVARD AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA.

I AM WONDERING PRACTICALLY HOW THIS GETS ENFORCED.

THEN IT GOES TO LEGACY ADMISSIONS.

IF YOU ARE ANY ADMISSIONS DEPARTMENT, I IMAGINE YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR'’S CLASS.

LOU: ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT LIKE TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

JIM: ON STUDENT LOANS?

LOU: IT WAS GOING TO BE $50 BILLION AND NOW HE IS TRYING FOR $39 BILLION.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS SENT POLICIES ABOUT WORKAROUNDS.

THE GUIDANCE COUNSELOR CAN SEND LETTERS TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN A LARGELY WHITE SCHOOL OVERCAME AND JOINED HER THESE TEAMS AND SHOW RESILIENCE.

YOU CAN WRITE ON YOUR ESSAYS AS BEING THE ONLY LATINO IN A PREDOMINATELY WHITE SCHOOL, I WAS ABLE TO JOIN AND WIN ON THE DEBATE TEAM.

JIM: WINK WINK.

LOU: EXACTLY.

ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

SUE: I AGREE.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE THIS?

JIM: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY COLLEGE.

SUE: COLLEGES ALREADY DO THIS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

JIM: WHY WOULDN'’T YOU WANT THAT?

SUE: YOU WANT A DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS, A DIVERSITY OF POPULATION.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LEARNING CENTER, UNIVERSITY.

YOU WANT A BROAD SPECTRUM OF OPINIONS.

JIM V: THE SUPREME COURT TRAPPED THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT BY OVERTURNING PRESIDENT.

THEY DID IT LAST YEAR WITH ROE V. WADE AND THIS YEAR IT IS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

JIM: AND THAT IS 50 YEARS?

LOU: -- JIM V: 54 YEARS, SINCE 1958.

THEY PROVED WHY THEY DESERVE THE LOWEST APPROVAL RATINGS BY DOING THE WRONG THING.

I AM A BENEFICIARY OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND I KNOW THE BENEFITS OF THAT PROGRAM AT HOW WELL IT HAS WORKED.

LOU: THAT DOESN'’T MAKE IT CONSTITUTIONALLY COLLECT -- CONSTITUTIONALLY CORRECT.

ROE V. WADE SAID IT IS OKAY TO KILL A LIVING CHILD.

WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DID THAT COME FROM?

WHERE DID IT SAID YOU CAN REVERSE DISCRIMINATION?

JIM V: AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, IF THEY USE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN TERMS OF LEGACY, GETTING STUDENTS IN THE BAND OR WHATEVER, THIS IS ONE OF MANY FACTORS.

I DON'’T THINK CONSTITUTIONAL THING MATTERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT.

JIM: UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS AFTERWARDS.

LOU WANTS TO GO AFTER THIS SO MAYBE WE WILL DO THIS AFTER THE SHOW.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL SEGMENT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE ENDING EARLY AND THAT WILL END THIS WEEK'’S PROGRAM.

ISABELLA BA IS THE WINNER OF THE RHODE ISLAND PPS SCHOLARSHIP AWARDED TO A HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE STUDENT PURSUING A CAREER IN BROADCAST COMMUNICATIONS OR JOURNALISM.

SHE IS A GRADUATE OF CRANSTON EAST AND BEGINS HER FRESHMAN YEAR AT RHODE ISLAND COLLEGE.

I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH HER LAST WEEK.

WE ARE BACK WITH ISABELLA.

WELCOME TO RHODE ISLAND PPS.

YOU ARE GOING TO BE A FRESHMAN IN THE FALL.

WHY RHODE ISLAND COLLEGE AND WHY BROADCASTING?

>> WHEN I WAS TOURING RHODE ISLAND COLLEGE, I LIKE THE HOMEY FEEL OF IT.

REMIND ME OF MY HIGH SCHOOL WHICH I HAVE A DEEP CONNECTION WITH.

AS TO GOING INTO COMMUNICATIONS, I DID THE MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS AT MY SCHOOL AND I REALLY ENJOYED IT.

JIM: THIS IS A VERY WIDE-FIELD.

IT IS CHANGING.

SO MUCH OF COLLEGE IS FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

DO YOU HAVE A GAME PLAN IN YOUR MIND OR WHEN YOU GET TO FIGURE OUT I WILL GO THIS PATH OR THIS PATH?

ISABELLA: FOR ME IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN JOINING EXTRACURRICULARS AND THAT HAS HELPED ME FIGURE OUT WHAT I LIKE.

LIKE DOING THE MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS.

ONCE I GO TO COLLEGE, JUST JOINING EXTRACURRICULARS LIKE ANGRY TV, MAYBE EVEN THE NEWS STATION, THAT WOULD HELP ME FIGURE OUT WHAT I WANT TO DO.

JIM: YOU HAVE AN IMPRESIVE RESUME, NOT ONLY SENIOR CLASS PRESIDENT, NATIONAL HONOR SOCIETY, I AM EMBRACING YOU -- EMBARRASSING YOU.

CAPTAIN OF THE TENNIS TEAM AND DOING ANNOUNCEMENTS.

SO MUCH OF COLLEGE IS TIME MANAGEMENT.

HOW DO YOU GET THAT ALL IN DURING A DAY?

ISABELLA: I HONESTLY DON'’T KNOW.

IF YOU HONESTLY LOVE SOMETHING, YOU WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MENTIONING HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO PUT INTO ALL DIRECTOR CRICKETERS.

FOR ME, THINGS JUST WORKED OUT.

I JOINED A CLUB AND THAT I JUST TALKED TO PEOPLE AND WE FIGURED IT OUT ALONG THE WAY.

JIM: WHAT ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY, COMMUNICATIONS AND BROADCASTING.

IT HAS CHANGED A LOT.

WHAT IS IT THAT INTERESTS YOU AND MAKES YOU WANT TO GO INTO IT?

JIM V: -- ISABELLA: BEING INVOLVED WITH MEETING A LOT OF PEOPLE HELPED ME BECOME MORE INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATIONS.

COMMUNICATIONS IS ALL ABOUT CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE AND GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE.

I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE EXPOSED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

JIM: DO YOU FEEL AS YOU WATCH THE NEWS THAT IS SOMETHING I COULD BE DOING?

ISABELLA: DEFINITELY.

I LOVE BEING IN FRONT OF CLOUD STAGE IN FRONT OF CROWDS -- IN FRONT OF CROWDS.

I DO THEATER, LOVE BEING IN FRONT OF MY FINANCES, IT MAKES ME HAPPY.

JIM: COLLEGE IS A DAUNTING TASK, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY OVER FOUR YEARS.

ISABELLA: FOR ME IT MEANS FREEDOM AND BEING A B -- BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON MY STUDIES AND HOW WILL I BALANCE JOBS WITH MY STUDIES?

FOR ME, IT MEANS A LOT BECAUSE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN ME AND I WILL BE GOING OFF TO ACHIEVE BIG THINGS.

JIM: WE CERTAINLY BELIEVE IN YOU AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GREAT THINGS.

FROM YOU WE WILL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

WE HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US AS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" CONTINUES.

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VISIT NCICAP.ORG] >> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I'’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND S.