JIM: THIS WEEK ON "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT," SHED AGAINST WITH THE SIGNATURE OF ONE CANDIDATE IN THE SENATE RACE HAS THE ATTENTION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

WE SIT DOWN WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR OF A SHORELINE ACCESS BILL ALREADY HAVING A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON BEACHGOERS.

>> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I'’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.

JIM: JOINING US THIS TIM WHITE.

STEPH MACHADO.

AND BILL BARTHOLOMEW OF THE BARTHOLOMEWTOWN PODCAST.

WE EXPECT OF THIS HEADLINE TO BE WHO MADE THE BALLOT FOR THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL RACE -- FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL RACE BUT SCHEDULE IS LOOKING TO OVERCOME THE CAMPAIGN OF SABINA MATOS.

SIGNATURES SHE NEEDED TO GET ON THE BALLOT ARE CALLED INTO QUESTION.

POLICE AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ARE INVOLVED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING, HOW SERIOUS IS THIS?

TIM: YOU RAISE THE POLICE AND INVESTIGATION AND THE SCRUTINIZING OF 500 SIGNATURES YOU NEED TO GET CERTIFIED TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

SABINA MATOS HAD 708 SIGNATURES, HOW MANY FALL UNDER SCRUTINY?

THERE IS THAT QUESTION.

THE OTHER BIG QUESTION TO ASK ABOUT HOW SERIOUS IS IT IS THE POLITICAL QUESTION.

WE HAVE 13 DEMOCRATS THAT HAVE MADE THE BALLOT.

SHE IS THE PERCEIVED FRONT RUNNER.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE POLITICAL FALLOUT FOR HER?

FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THIS RACE HAS NOT BEEN ON THE RADAR SCREEN AND WHAT WAS THRUSTED INTO THE SPHERE WAS A SCANDAL.

WILL SHE WITHSTAND THE PARTICLE SCRUTINY?

STEPH: WE CAN'’T STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW BORING THE RACE HAS BEEN ALL SUMMER BECAUSE NOW IT IS HEATING UP WITH THIS SCANDAL.

WHAT IS IT TO BE SEEN IS WHETHER THE OTHER CANDIDATES CAPITALIZE ON THIS BAD WEEK FOR SABINA MATOS.

THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THEMSELVES DIFFERENT RUNNER.

THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT AND CRITICIZING HER, BUT WHO IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO POTENTIALLY OVERTAKE HER AND THRUST THEMSELVES INTO THE TOP TIER?

WE WILL SEE IF WE SEE MORE UNION ENDORSEMENTS COMING OUT FOR OTHER CANDIDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE CAMPAIGN IS OFF TO THE RACES.

JIM: IT IS PERFECT FOR TELEVISION BECAUSE IT HAS ALLITERATIVE SIGNATURE SCANDAL.

TIM: THERE ARE PEOPLE ALSO NOW CALLING INTO QUESTION THE NOTION THAT MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE VALID AND THERE IS ELECTION FRAUD THAT TAKES PLACE.

THIS IS JUST PROOF OF A LARGER PROBLEM IN RHODE ISLAND WHERE ELECTION INTEGRITY IS IN QUESTION.

IT IS A BROADLY UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, PARTICULARLY FOR THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

THIS IS PROBLEMATIC AT BOTH LEVELS.

WHOEVER IS ABLE TO ASSERT THEMSELVES AND GAIN NAME RECOGNITION TO THOSE WHO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THIS STUFF, THAT IS WHO IS PROBABLY GOING TO BECOME YOUR NEW FRONT RUNNER.

JIM: SHE HAS NOT BEEN THE MOST TRANSPARENT.

SHE DUCKED SOME OF THE DEBATES LAST YEAR.

I AM SURPRISED THE CAMPAIGN HAS NOT GOTTEN OUT.

SHE IS NOT HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE, NOT ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU?

>> BASED ON HOW THEY HANDLED COMMUNICATIONS, I WOULD NOT SAY IT SURPRISES ME.

WE ARE RECORDING THIS THURSDAY MORNING SO THAT MAY CHANGE.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MAY DECIDE TO GIVE AN INTERVIEW.

SO FAR, THE WAY THEY HAVE WANTED TO HANDLE COMMUNICATIONS IS BY ISSUING PRESS RELEASES.

DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME, THE PUBLIC DOES NOT LIKE THAT.

THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THEMSELVES.

A POLITICIAN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS , TO SIT DOWN WITH SOMEONE OR HOLD THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

I HAVE REQUESTED AN INTERVIEW WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS ORDEAL AND SO FAR THEY HAVE LEANED INTO WRITTEN STATEMENTS.

STEPH: I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT AN ADVISABLE MOVE FOR HER TO LET THIS GO INTO A SECOND WEEK WITHOUT TALKING.

THE STORY IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON.

SHE SHOULD PROBABLY GET IN FRONT OF SOME CAMERAS SOON AND TALK ABOUT IT.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BILL SAID.

I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS SAYING THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

THESE SIGNATURES DID NOT PASS MUSTER, WERE NOT GOING TO PASS MUSTER.

MULTIPLE TOWNS NOTICED THESE SIGNATURES WERE NOT VALID SIGNATURES.

IT IS HIGHLY CONCERNING.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT SHOWS THAT PAPERS ARE NOT JUST GETTING RUBBERSTAMPED.

JIM: IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN TIM'’S STUFF, IT IS ONLINE.

SHOE LEATHER REPORTING.

YOU ARE CHECKING IN TALKING TO PEOPLE.

BILL, YOU STARTED LOOKING AT THE SIGNATURES.

IT IS THE SAME THING A LOT OF THERE IS A ONE-WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN GATHERING SIGNATURES THAT HAS BEEN IN QUESTION.

IF HE SIGNATURES BEYOND WHAT SHE GATHERED FECUND TO GET INTO QUESTION, IT WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION OF IF THAT IS A PROBLEM.

TELL ME WHAT YOU SAW?

BILL: I STARTED POP UP MAPS WHERE THE SIGNATURES IN QUESTION WERE COMING INTO PLAY.

YOU CAN SEE IN SEVERAL INSTANCES THEY WERE CLUSTERED IN ONE AREA.

YOU START LOOKING AT THE VALIDATED SIGNATURES IN THAT SAM AREA AND I AM NOT A HANDWRITING EXPERT, NOR IS MY COLLEAGUE, BUT AS WE STARTED TO GO THROUGH THEM, ITBECAME CLEAR EVEN MORE OF THESE SIGNATURES MAY BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY AND MAY BE PROVEN IF NOT FRAUDULENT, HIGHLY SUSPECT.

TIM: STEP SET OF THE TOWNS WERE DOING THEIR JOB.

JAMESTOWN WAS THE FIRST TO FIND THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WITH THESE SIGNATURS.

IT IS FAIR TO ASK WHEN LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM ITSELF, DID JAMESTOWN REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES AND SAY HI MCLAREN, WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HER.

YOU SHOULD CHECK THAT OUT.

THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING LAWMAKERS SHOULD LOOK AT.

WHEN WE WENT TO NEWPORT LOOKING AT SHEETS, I SAW THE NAME OF AN INDIVIDUAL WITH HIS SIGNATURE AND 25 SPACES DOWN I SAW THE SAME NAME WITH A DIFFERENT SIGNATURE.

MANY OF THE SIGNATURES ON THAT, INCLUDING ONE OF THOSE NAMES DUPLICATED, THEY WERE ACCEPTED.

JOURNALISTICLY, WE SAY THIS ENTIRE SHEET IS SUSPECT AND WE ARE GOING TO START CALLING THESE NAMES.

LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE OVERWORKED NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN.

IF THERE IS A RED FLAG ON THAT SHEET, THE SAME NAME TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT SIGNATURES, THAT ENTIRE SHEET SHOULD BE SCRUTINIZED.

JIM: DON KARLSSON FILED, OTHERS WOULD HAVE.

HE HAD TO FILE AN APPEAL BY YESTERDAY AT 4:00.

WHAT SHAPE DOES THAT TAKE ON THE APPEAL?

I DON'’T THINK WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN RECENT MEMORY.

DO THEY START GOING AT LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE SIGNATURE?

IS IT BOARD OF ELECTIONS?

SECRETARY OF STATE?

TIM: BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

IT IS A CHALLENGE FILED TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'’S OFFICE AND HIS SECRETARY OF STATE HANDS THAT TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

WE WILL FIND OUT FRIDAY.

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS IS MEETING AT 2:00.

WE WILL FIND OUT HOW THEY APPROACH IT.

STEPH: I DON'’T KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC EVEN KNOWS ABOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OF SIGNATURE COLLECTION.

THEY HEAR ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS VAGUELY AS IN 30 PEOPLE HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE BALLOT, BUT THIS YEAR WE ARE TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THE SIGNATURE COLLECTION AND WHAT IT IS.

THAT WILL INCREASE THE SCRUTINY AROUND IT.

AS TIM SAID, THIS IS NOT A SECRETARY OF STATE PROCESS, IT IS 39 INDIVIDUAL CITY AND TOWN'’S PROCESS.

SHOULD THERE BE MORE COMMUNICATION OR SOMETHING MORE CENTRALIZED?

BILL: TO YOUR POINT, I REMEMBER FOLLOWING AROUND SOME GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES AS THEY COLLECTED SIGNATURES AT THE CAVE VIVIAN FESTIVAL AND YOU SEE THIS ANALOG, SEEMINGLY OUTDATED PROCESS AND YOU START TO WONDER WITH TECHNOLOGIES, IPADS, SCANNABLE LICENSES, REAL ID, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS PROCESS OR ABANDON IT ALTOGETHER AND FIND A NEW WAY TO TEST THE VALIDITY OF A CANDIDATE TO GET ON THE BALLOT?

JIM: WE THOUGHT THIS WEEK HE WAS GOING TO BE WHO MADE TE BALLOT AND WHERE WILL THEY GO FROM HERE.

THIS THROWS THE DYNAMIC.

LET'’S TALK ABOUT THE LARGER RACE, WHO IS ON THE BALLOT AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

WE HAVE SIX WEEKS LEFT UNTIL THE PRIMARY.

STEPH: EXACTLY.

WE STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES WHO DON'’T HAVE GREAT NAME RECOGNITION.

THAT IS WHY SABINA MATOS WAS THE FRONT RUNNER BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONLY STATEWIDE OFFICEHOLDER IN THE RACE AND PEOPLE KNOW WHO SHE IS.

THIS IS THE TIME WHERE THE CANDIDATES IF THEY ARE NOT ON TV NEED TO START GETTING ON TV, DURING PRESS CONFERENCES, NEED TO BE GETTING OUT THERE IN A WAY THAT IS MORE THAN JUST GETTING OUTDOORS AND DOING MEET AND GREETS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'’T ALREADY ENJOY WIDESPREAD NAME RECOGNITION.

WE ALREADY SAW ONE PERSON DROPPED OUT BECAUSE POLLING SHOWED HE WAS AT 5%.

WE DID NOT HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS EVERYONE ELSE.

WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THESE OTHER SIX OR SEVEN CANDIDATES IN THIS MIDDLE TIER CAN GET UP NEAR THE TOP.

JIM: WHAT ABOUT MARVIN?

DID THAT SURPRISE YOU?

THE FINANCE CHAIRMAN WHO HAD A LOW-KEY CAMPAIGN, HE DID NOT MAKE THE 500 SIGNATURES WHICH IS A STUNNING.

TIM: AND NOW SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOAN THAT CAME FROM HIS CAMPAIGN.

IT IS A DIFFICULT THING FOR SOMEBODY WHO WAS HOUSE FINANCE CHAIR TO RUN A CAMPAIGN.

THAT WAS THE QUESTION, IS HE AT A DISADVANTAGE?

THEORETICALLY HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL EACH OF US AND WE SESSION IS DONE TODAY INTO THIS -- IS DONE TODAY INTO THIS BECAUSE HE WILL BE INVOLVED IN A BUDGETARY PROCESS.

WE DID NOT SEEM LIKE HE HAD THE MOMENTUM IN THAT EARLY PHASE THAT OTHERS DID.

BILL: I BELIEVE EARLY VOTING STARTS AUGUST 16.

PEOPLE ARE WEEKS AWAY.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CASTING BALLOTS EVEN SOONER THAN THAT.

SO FAR THIS RISK TO ME BECAUSE OF NAME RECOGNITION AND THE CHALLENGES HAS BEEN ABOUT ENDORSEMENTS AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH MONEY AROUND RIGHT NOW AND THERE ARE 13 DEMOCRATS ON THE BALLOT AND TWO REPUBLICANS.

THEY ARE ALL PULLING FROM THE SAME POT OF MONEY.

THESE ENDORSEMENTS HAVE ANY OUTSIZED INFLUENCE.

SOME ENDORSEMENTS ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS.

IF YOU GET A UNION ENDORSEMENT AS SABINA MATOS HAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THERE MIGHT BE THAT THIRD-PARTY SPENDING -- GET PEOPLE OUT, GET THEM IN THE VAN, TO THE POLLS COME ALL OF THAT.

JIM: DO YOU THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE UNION'’S ARE LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE WAITED A WEEK?

TIM: THE ENDORSEMENTS CAME OUT PRIOR TO THE SIGNATURE SCANDAL.

THAT IS THE OTHER HEADACHE THAT COULD BE ON THE RESIN FOR THE SABINA MATOS CAMPAIGN -- THAT COULD BE ON THE HORIZON FOR THE SABINA MATOS CAMPAIGN.

JIM: GABE IS DROPPING TV SOON, KARLSSON HAS THE MOST MONEY, SANDRA AND AARON, THAT IS THE TOP-TIER.

WHAT DO YOU SEE FROM THEM IN THE COMING WEEKS?

BILL: I THINK THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE OUT IN FRONT BUT ANOTHER NAME THAT KEEPS COMING UP, SOMEONE WHO IS A POLITICAL INSIDER IS AN EXOTIC GASH IS ANNA -- INSIDER IS ANNA.

I AM NOT GOING TO SAY IS ANYBODY'’S RACE, BUT IF YOU BUILD THE RIGHT COALITION AND YOU GET THE RIGHT GRASSROOTS LEVEL OF DOORKNOCKING, ESPECIALLY IN PROVIDENCE, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND IT WOULD BE LESS SHOCKING FOR ANY OF SAID TO TAKE PLACE IN THIS RACE THAN IN MOST OTHER CONGRESSIONAL RACES.

STEPH: SARAH SAID TO ME WHICH INVESTOR CAMPAIGN I WON'’T HAVE THE MOST MONEY BUT I WILL HAVE THE MOST VOLUNTEERS.

WE WILL SEE IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE.

IT IS A POLITICAL REALITY THAT YOU NEED MONEY TO RUN FOR CONGRESS.

SOMETHING I AM WATCHING IS WE HAVE SIX CANDIDATES LEFT WHO LIVE IN PROVIDENCE AND ON BEHALF OF PROVIDENCE IS IN CD ONE.

THAT IS A BIG PIE TO TRY TO SPLIT APART.

ANNA DOES HAVE A BIG BASE IN PROVIDENCE WHETHER SHE HAS ENOUGH TO GET ENOUGH VOTES TO WIN WHEN THERE ARE 500 PEOPLE IN PROVIDENCE WHO HAVE A BASE IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

JIM: I FIND IT IRONIC YOU DON'’T HAVE TO LIVE IN CD 2 -- CD1.

YOU DON'’T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT BUT YOU DO TO SIGN.

THAT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING.

TIM: SABINA MATOS CANNOT SITE HER OWN RECOGNITION PAPERS.

STEPH: MOST OF PROVIDENCE IS A MILE AWAY FROM CD1.

BILL: THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

JIM: ONE OF THE SIGNATURE PIECES OF LEGISLATION IN THE ASSEMBLY WAS A SHORELINE ACCESS.

THIS IS THE OCEAN STATE.

I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH TERRY, THE LEAD SPONSOR IN HOUSE, TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT.

THERE WAS A LEGAL CHALLENGE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

HERE IS WHAT SHE HADTO TELL ME.

IT IS WHAT MAKES RHODE ISLAND THE OCEAN STATE.

MORE THAN 400 MILES OF COASTLINE THAT IN SOME PLACES HAS BEEN INACCESSIBLE FOR MANY UNTIL NOW.

>> INITIALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE DECRIMINALIZE WALKING ON THE SHORE.

JIM: TERRY W A LEGISLATIVE COMMISSION THAT STUDIED THE ISSUE OF SHORELINE ACCESS.

THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS RESULTED IN A LAW PASSED LAST MONTH THAT ALLOWS THE PUBLIC ACCESS 10 FEET IN THE END FROM THE SEAWEED LINE.

FOR DECADES, THE LINE OF DEMARCATION WAS CONFUSING FOR NEARLY EVERYONE.

>> IT WAS UNDERWATER ALMOST THE WHOLE DAY.

HOW COULD RHODE ISLANDERS HAVE THIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT BUT BE USING AIRLINE NOBODY CAN SEE, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS -- BE USING AIRLINE NOBODY CAN SEE, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS.

JIM: SHE'’S NOT SURPRISED BY A LEGAL CHALLENGE FROM SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, ADDING THAT THE LAW IS CLEAR THAT THE PUBLIC CANNOT GO ON TO THEIR LAND IN PLACES THAT HAVE WELL-DEFINED BOUNDARIES LIKE A SEAWALL.

SHE IS CONFIDENT THE LAW WILL HOLD UP UNDER LEGAL SCRUTINY.

>> CLEARLY THE CONSTITUTION IN RHODE ISLAND IS VERYOUR RIGHT TO THE SHORE.

MOST OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL SAY WE DON'’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A FISHERMAN FISHING COURT IF SOMEONE WAS TO WALK ACROSS THE SHORE.

WHERE IT STARTS TO GET DICEY IS CHAIR OR WANTS TO PUT IN TOWEL.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SWIM FROM THE SHORE SO I THINK THE COURTS NEED TO INTERPRET OUR CONSTITUTION.

JIM: WHILE A LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED, NO INJUNCTION HAS BEEN FILED.

RIGHT NOW THE LAW STANDS.

YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AND YOU HAVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON.

TIM: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE -- ESSENTIALLY THE PLAINTIFF IN THIS LITIGATION.

THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR RADARS ON AND OFF FOR YEARS.

EVEN AS A KID GROWING UP IN SOUTH COUNTY THIS WAS ALWAYS A THING RELEVANT.

NOW WE JUST HAVE A VERY SIMPLE, CLEARLY DEFINED AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND LINE OF DEMARCATION AS TO WHAT IS PUBLIC AT WHAT IS PRIVATE.

IT SHOULD WITHSTAND LEGAL SCRUTINY BUT THE ATTORNEY FOR THIS TAX -- THIS COASTAL TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION, I ASKED IF THIS COULD GO TO SUPREME COURT AND HE SAID TOTALLY.

THE NEXT STEP WILL BE THE PREBLENDED -- THE PERPENDICULAR ACCESS POINT.

I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE SET UP SAWHORSES BLOCKING ROADS AT NEWPORT.

THAT IS A BATTLEFIELD.

IT WILL BE EDITING TO SEE WHAT WE LEARN THIS YEAR AND HOW THAT APPLIES TO NEXT YEAR.

STEPH: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT BECAUSE I'’VE NOT COVERED THIS SPECIFIC STATUTE.

MY COLLEAGUE COVERS IT FOR THE GLOBE.

YOU CAN GO ON THE BEACH 10 SEAT -- 10 FEET ABOVE THE SEAWEED LINE BUT HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT SPOT WITHOUT CROSSING PRIVATE PROPERTY?

THEY HAVE TO BUILD PUBLIC ACCESS WAYS OR ELSE YOU COULD SWIM OR BOAT.

[LAUGHTER] JIM: PUBLIC ACCESS HAS BEEN BLOCKED IN PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AND PRIVATE OWNERS PUT UP SIGNS THAT THEY ARE ILLEGAL BUT SOMETIMES THEY ARE INTIMIDATING.

BILL: YOU DO SEE PILLARS THAT SAY PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THE LAWMAKER YOU SPOKE TO SAID THAT THE CONSTITUTION IN RHODE ISLAND IS CLEAR.

THERE IS ANOTHER CONSTITUTION AND THAT IS THE U.S. CONSTITUTION WHICH SAYS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT TAKE OUT YOUR LAND WITHOUT JUST COMPENSATION.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ARGUMENT THE PLAINTIFFS MAKE THAT ARE CHALLENGING THE STATE LAW.

WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND NOW YOU HAVE MOVED THE GOAL POST.

THAT VIOLATES MY U.S.

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WHICH DOESN'’T SUPERSEDE ALL STATE CONSTITUTIONS.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE JUDGES FALL IN THIS MATTER.

I AM INTERESTED IN READING ABOUT IT.

I WONDER IF THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR THE PLAINTIFFS IN THIS ONE.

SORRY YOU LOST 10 FEET OF BEACHFRONT PROPERTY.

SET YOUR ROSE ON THE LAWN AND FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.

[LAUGHTER] JIM: JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, TIM CAREY CARRIES A CONSTITUTION WITH HIM.

HE IS IN THE GREEN ROOM LOOKING AT IT.

BILL: I AM -- TIM: I AM A NERD.

THE HEART OF THIS WILL BE IF THE CLASS ACTION NATURE OF THIS CHALLENGE WILL HOLD UP OR IF YOU WILL HAVE PERSON X IN CHARLESTOWN, THEIR DEED WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT WERE THEY DEEDED VERSUS WHAT PERSON Y WAS?

IT MAY BE A CASE-BY-CASE SITUATION AND THAT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME AND YIELD A MORE CLEAR RESULT.

BILL: YOU KNOW WHO IS REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS?

THE LAWYER'’S.

JIM: OF COURSE.

[LAUGHTER] LET'’S DO OUTREACHES OR KUDOS.

STEPH: TIM IS GOING TO GO FIRST.

TIM: MY OUTRAGE S THE SUMMER WEATHER.

IF I WERE TO GRADE IT, I WOULD GIVE IT A SEE -- A C-AND MOTHER NATURE WILL HAVE TO TRY TO BOOST THAT GRADE.

BEACH WEATHER ON WEEKDAYS AND WHEN IT IS SUNNY WEEKENDS, IT IS SOCKED IN BY SMOKE FROM CANADA.

MY OUTRAGE IS THE WEATHER THIS SUMMER.

STEPH: I ALREADY KNEW THAT WAS HIS OUTRAGE SO I DID NOT WANT TO STEAL IT BUT I WANTED TO PIGGYBACK AND SAY EVERY WEEKEND IT RAINS AND THEN MONDAY COMES AND IT IS PERFECT BEACH WEATHER AND WE HAVE TO GO TO WORK.

JIM: IS THERE SOME COLLUSION HERE?

TIM: WE TEXT A LOT.

JIM: STEPH HAS MOVED -- THERE IS A STAFF MEETING GOING ON HERE.

SHE IS WITH THE BOSTON GLOBE BUT YOU ARE DOING SOME WORK FOR RHODE ISLAND PBS.

YOU ARE HERE AS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP DOING SOME STORIES FOR RHODE ISLAND PBS WEEKLY WHICH AIRS SUNDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS.

TIM: I WORKED WITH STEPH FOR YEARS AT CHANNEL 12.

JIM: ANY INSIGHT?

SHE IS NEVER ON TIME.

TIM: SHE WILL BE LATE TO EVERY MEETING BUT SHE WILL BREAK A LOT OF STORIES.

BILL: A QUICK OUTRAGE, SYRINGES WASHED ASHORE ON EAST METOO NICK -- EAST METOO NICK -- THIS IS DISGUSTING.

WE ARE SO -- STEWARDS OF THIS ENVIRONMENT.

WE TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THIS GOES BEYOND THIS.

UNLESS WE ARE PLANNING ON GOING TO MARS, WE NEED TO RETHINK EVERYTHING HERE IT -- THIS IS ABOUT THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES.

JUST A DISGUSTING SITUATION, MEDICAL WASTE WASHING ASHORE ON THE BEACH.

YOU HAVE THE PORTUGUESE MAN-OF-WAR, SHARKS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

JIM: SENATOR GEORGE MILLER WRAPPED UP HIS -- SENATOR JOSH BECKER RAMPANT -- JOSH MILLER RAMPED UP HIS CRIMINAL CASE.

HE OFFERED A MARICOPA, BUT IT IS LIKE THIS NEVER HAPPEND AND THE SENATE LEADERSHIP MOVES ON.

STEPH: I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO HIM EVER SINCE IT HAPPENED SO I WENT TO HIS ARRAIGNMENT.

HE DID SPEAK TO REPORTERS OUTSIDE BUT HE READ FROM APRIL STATEMENT AND HE DIDN'’T REALLY ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS REPORTERS HAD WHICH THE MOST BASIC ONE IS WHY DID YOU DO IT.

EVERYONE THINKS IT IS BECAUSE OF THE ANTI-BIDEN BOPPER STICKER.

JIM: BUT WAS IT REALLY?

STEPH: HE DID NOT SAY THAT WAS THE REASON HE KEYED TO THE CAR.

HE SAID IT WAS A MOMENT OF LACK OF CONTROL AND HE APOLOGIZED.

HE IS NOT PLANNING TO RESIGN.

HE SAID HE WOULD TALK TO HIS FELLOW CONSTITUENTS.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT STANDING BY HIM.

TIM: YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE?

BODY ONE CAMERAS.

-- BODY WORN CAMERAS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD A PIECE SAID SHE SAID, SENATOR MILLER MIGHT HAVE DENIED THE NARRATIVE THE POLICE PUT FORWARD ABOUT WHAT HE SAID TO THEM, BUT THE TAPE DOES NOT LIVE.

JIM: AND NOT 30 DAYS OF LET'’S REVIEW IT.

CRANSTON HAS BEEN OUT THERE.

TIM: WE WILL SEE HOW CRANSTON IS WHEN THERE IS AN INCIDENT -- JIM: WITH THE MAYOR?

STEPH: I SAID THE SAME THING BECAUSE THEY GOT THE VIDEO OUT ONE DAY AFTER IT HAPPENED.

TIM: WHAT IF IT IS A USE OF FORCE INCIDENT?

STEPH: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE CRANSTON POLICE ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING.

JIM: A LITTLE SOON WITH MY KUDOS.

TIM: NO, THEY DESERVE IT.

THEY DON'’T HAVE TO STICK TO THE STATUTORY TIMEFRAME IN OUR PUBLIC STATUES LAW.

THAT THRUSTS THIS CONVERSATION INTO THE PUBLIC SPHERE.

KUDOS IS DESERVED.

BILL: I WONDER IF JOSH MILLER KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING WHEN THIS HAPPENED ON A MENTAL HEALTH LEVEL BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN UNBELIEVABLE THING TO DO.

YOU WONDER IF THERE WAS SOME ADRENALINE RUSH THAT TOOK OVER, IF THE ATMOSPHERE WE LIVE IN POLITICALLY DID SOMETHING TO HIM THAT HE WAS JUST OVERTAKEN WITH THIS COMPLETELY FOOLISH BEHAVIOR OR IF HE JUST WALKED UP AND SAID I AM GOING TO KEEP -- TO KEY THIS GUY'’S CAR.

I KNOW THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE RELEASED WAS PROMPT AND ALLOWED FOR AN IMMEDIATE LACK OF SPECULATION.

TIM: KEYING THE CAR IS ONE THING, BUT THE OUTRAGEOUS THING WAS LYING TO THE POLICE.

THAT IS WHY THEY ADDED TO HIS ARRAIGNMENT WHICH TURNED INTO A -- JIM: YOUR COLLEAGUE POINTED OUT THAT MAY BE THE REASON THE SENATE LEADERSHIP IS IS SENATOR REED AEREO HAD AN ACCIDENT OF HIS OWN AND ANOTHER FAMOUS INCIDENT.

TIM: NOBODY CAMERAS FOR THAT ONE -- NO BODY CAMERAS FOR THAT ONE.

JIM: HOW DO YOU NOT AT LEAST REMOVE HIM FROM THE LEADERSHIP?

I KNOW, DON'’T JUDGE ME ON MY WORST DAY, BUT NOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE AT A HEARING AND YOU HAVE THIS GUY.

I THINK IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE.

STEPH: I THINK IT CAN BE A DISTRACTION AND UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE COVERED MANY SITTING IN THAT OFFICIALS GETTING ARRESTED IN MY RELATIVELY SHORT TIME IN RHODE ISLAND AND IT IS, THAT THEY STEP DOWN FROM LEADERSHIP POSITIONS BUT NOT NECESSARILY FROM THEIR SEAT.

YOU CAN LEAVE THAT UP TO THE VOTERS.

JIM: BUT IT IS THE SENATE PRESIDENT'’S PURVIEW TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

STEPH: THEY MIGHT ASK THE PERSON TO STEP DOWN FROM LEADERSHIP BECAUSE IT CAN BE A DISTRACTION WHEN THERE IS BIG LEGISLATION THEY WOULD PREFER TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

TIM: I AM SURE THE SENATE PRESIDENT IS HOPING OTHER THINGS DISTRACT EVERYONE.

JIM: SABINA MATOS STEP IN AND HELP THEM.

THAT IS ALL WE HAVE.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK.

WE HOPE YOU WILL BE WITH US HERE ON "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" AS WE DISSECT IT NEXT WEEKEND.

♪ >> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I'’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.