>> THIS WEEK, CHANGES ARE COMING TO RHODE ISLANDERS RECEIVING UNEMPLOYMENT.

ALSO ONE RESIDENT WITH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE.

♪ JOINING US WITH THEIR INSIGHT, PABLO RODRIGUEZ DOREEN COSTA ROB HOROWITZ >> HELLO AND WELCOME.

RHODE ISLAND IS FINALLY TWEAKING ITS BENEFITS PROGRAM.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK WITH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO SAID THEY ARE HAVING A TIME -- HARD TIME GETTING WORKERS.

WE WONDER IF IT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH GOING INTO THE BUSY TOURIST SEASON.

THE STATES ARE BEGINNING TO TAKE THIS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.

PABLO: THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT UNEMPLOYMENT IS AFFECTING EVERYONE'S ABILITY TO HIRE WORKERS.

WHY NOT, IF YOU ARE MAKING MORE MONEY IN UNEMPLOYMENT THAN WORKING AND IT COST YOU MORE MONEY TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE OF DAYCARE AND TRANSPORTATION, IT IS A NORMAL THING FOR PEOPLE TO DO.

ALL THIS MEANS IS THAT OUR LOWEST PAID EMPLOYEES ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH TO LIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE A LIVING WAGE.

IF ANYTHING, THIS TELLS US THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR MINIMUM SALARY TO $15 PER HOUR IN ORDER FOR WORK TO PAY.

JIM: THE CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM ARE GOING TO KICK IN LATER THIS MONTH.

THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT YOU CAN STILL EARN AND COLLECT.

I WONDER IF YOU THINK OR NEEDS TO BE DONE?

WHAT ABOUT THE THING ABOUT $15 PER HOUR?

DOREEN: PEOPLE SHOULD JUST GO BACK TO WORK.

WHAT I DID IS, THERE ARE SOME A RESTAURANTS THERE HIRING.

I APPLIED AND I AM WORKING THREE NIGHTS PER WEEK IN A RESTAURANT BEING A SERVER TO HELP OUT THE SMALL BUSINESSES.

IF UNEMPLOYMENT IS GOING TO HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE COLLECTING, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A JOB SEARCH.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT AFTER THE FIRST WEEK JOB SEARCHING, THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE JOBS.

YOU CAN GO DOWN MAIN STREET IN EAST GREENWICH, YOU CAN GO INTO WARWICK, EVERY SINGLE BUSINESSES HIRING.

ME BEING A SERVER THREE NIGHTS A WEEK LAST WEEK, EVERYBODY OUT THERE IS SO GENEROUS.

THEY SEE US WORKING OUR TAILS OFF BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO WORK.

I KNOW WHAT'S GOING OUT THERE.

AFTER MY DAY JOB, I COME HOME AND I GO THREE NIGHTS A WEEK TO HELP OUT THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T COME BACK TO WORK.

THEIR JOBS OUT THERE FOR EVERY TRADE.

JUST GO, JUST DO IT.

YOU ARE GETTING UNEMPLOYMENT, THAT IS TAX DOLLARS.

WHOSE PAYING FOR THAT, WE ARE.

JUST GO BACK TO WORK.

JIM: WHAT DID THE RESTAURANT OWNERS SAY WHEN YOU CAME IN AND APPLIED?

THEY MUST'VE BEEN THRILLED TO SEE YOU.

DOREEN: I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE OWNER WHO KNOWS ME, I JUST WENT TO THE REGULAR PROCESS.

TWO DAYS LATER, HE COMES UP TO ME AND HE SAYS DO I KNOW YOU?

I TOOK MY MASK DOWN AND HE SAID WHAT YOU DOING HERE?

I SAID I'M HELPING YOU.

I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE SUMMER TO HELP YOU.

HE SAID I WISH YOU HAD TOLD BUT YOU WERE COMING IN BUT I DID THIS ON MY OWN.

THE JOBS ARE OUT THERE, JUST GO DO IT.

JIM: I WISH EVERYONE HAD YOUR ROB ON THE MACRO, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YEAR-ROUND AND SEASONAL ECONOMY IN THE NATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATION, APPOINT THE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS MADE IT IS WELL TAKEN UNDER THE DATA.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE JOBS REPORT, YOU KNOW THE JOBS REPORTS CHANGE.

THERE WAS BIG GROWTH IN THE LOWER PAID INDUSTRIES AND IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY WHERE THE PROBLEM WAS AT LEAST IN THE JOBS REPORT, THE HIGHER WAGES.

THE DATA IS UNCLEAR.

RHODE ISLAND HAS A DISINCENTIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOW-WAGE ECONOMY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF JOBS GOING WANTING.

I THINK THE INCENTIVES BEING PUT IN HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF WORKING.

MOST PEOPLE WANT TO WORK.

IF YOU CAN MAKE MORE MONEY WORKING, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO WORK.

WE WILL HAVE TO SEE IT AS IT PLAYS OUT.

OFTEN RHODE ISLAND AND NATIONALLY, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD STRONGLY.

JIM: EARLIER THIS WEEK, DURING YOU WERE A COCHAIR OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND 2020.

WE SAW AN INTERESTING PRESS RELEASE COME OUT SUNDAY NIGHT THAT DID NOT SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH BUT I'M GOING TO PASS, IT PUT -- TOOK A LOT OF SHOTS AT DONALD TRUMP.

SOME ARE THINKING IT'S A GOOD FORCEFUL STATEMENT AND OTHERS SAY HE MAY HAVE CUT OFF POTENTIAL SUPPORTERS WHO WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE NOT ON THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE TALKED TO JERRY ABOUT THIS AND IT GOT A LOT OF PLAY.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THIS PLAYED OUT?

DOREEN: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO JERRY, I DID REACH OUT BUT IT WENT TO VOICEMAIL.

HERE'S MY TAKE ON.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT GOVERNOR MCKEE DID NOT KNOW THAT JERRY XARELTO WAS HOSTING A FUNDRAISER.

HE HAD A SIX WEEK ADVANCE NOTICE.

HIS CALENDAR AND SCHEDULE AHEAD TO BE CLEARED TO MAKE SURE HE WAS AVAILABLE.

I CAN'T HELP BUT SEE GOVERNOR MCKEE, SOMEONE HAD TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AND WEATHER GOING TO DO IS THEY ARE GOING TO RUN ADS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU WITH JERRY AT THE FARM, JERRY WITH A PICTURE OF DONALD TRUMP.

YOU ASSOCIATED WITH DONALD TRUMP.

THAT IS A CLEAR WAY TO LOSE THE PROGRESSIVE AND INDEPENDENT VOTES.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, DAN MCKEE DID NOT GET ELECTED TO GOVERNOR.

HE JUST LANDED IT BECAUSE OF WHAT GOVERNOR RAIMONDO GOING TO WASHINGTON.

HE HAS HIS WORK CUT OUT FOR US.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUNDRAISING, HE DOES NOT HAS AS MUCH MONEY AS THE OTHERS.

HE IS TRYING TO PANDER TO THE LEFT, TO THE PROGRESSIVES.

I THINK HE IS GOING TO BE IN A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO NEED INDEPENDENT BOATS AND HE'S GOING TO NEED THIS DEMOCRATS.

THERE ARE MANY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NOW IN LEADERSHIP THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DID MICKEY JUST DO -- TO GOVERNOR MCKEE JUST DO?

JIM: PUBLIC, SHOULD HE HAVE DONE THAT FUNDRAISER OR WAS IT SMART TO CANCEL IT?

PABLO: THIS IS WHAT IS DRIVING ME CRAZY ABOUT POLITICS TODAY.

I FUNDRAISER FOR REPUBLCAN.

BEING A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AT THE TIME.

I FUNDRAISER BECAUSE I BELIEVED HE WAS THE BEST CANDIDATE AND HAD THE BEST POLICIES.

WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS THE TRIBALISM THAT EXISTS AND POLITICS CREATES THIS OPPORTUNITY WHERE POLITICIANS HAVE TO PANDER CONSTANTLY.

DEPENDING ON WHO IS ASKING THE QUESTION.

ZARRELLA DONATED TO THE CAMPAIGN.

HE WAS A CHAIRMAN OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AT THE TIME WHEN THE MONEY WAS RECEIVED.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT SHOWS HYPOCRISY OF OUR POLITICIANS AND OUR LEADERS.

IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS OK TO ACCEPT THE MONEY, IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS OK THEN IT SHOULD BE OK FOR ZARRELLA TO FUND RAISE FOR YOU AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

WE HAVE TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE STRENGTH OF CHARACTER AND WE HAVE TO STOP THE TRIBALISM BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS SUPPORTING ONE OR ANOTHER CANDIDATE, SUDDENLY THAT PERSON IS COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY REMOVED FROM ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT ME AS A CANDIDATE.

JIM: WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR.

POLITICAL STRATEGIST?

ROB I BELIEVE WITH -- BOTH.

GOVERNOR MCKEE SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN HIMSELF IN THE POSITION OF HAVING JERRY ZARRELLA BEING A HOST OF ONE OF HIS OWN FORUMS OF HIS FIRST FUNDRAISERS AS GOVERNOR.

THAT WAS A POLITICAL DECISION.

THAT WAS A MISTAKE.

I DO THINK ON THE POLITICS, HE WAS BETTER GETTING OUT OF IT THAN STICKING WITH IT.

IT WAS UNFAIR TO JERRY ZARRELLA WHO DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG AND WAS UNFAIRLY THROWN INTO THE NEWS AROUND THIS THING.

IT DIDN'T MAKE GOVERNOR MCKEE LOOK VERY GOOD.

GIVEN THE DONALD TRUMP IS A LITTLE LESS POPULAR THAN THE DEMOCRATS -- THE DEVIL WITH THE DEMOCRATS, I THINK IT WAS A WISE DAMAGE CONTROL MOVE.

PABLO: WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THE DONATIONS THE PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN TO ALL THE CANDIDATES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO GO FOR THE GOTCHA.

HE TOOK A THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM THIS ONE OR $500 FROM THE OTHER ONE.

WE HAVE TO STOP THE TRIBALISM.

IF THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE.

ROB: I AGREE.

HE COULD HAVE SAID WE WELCOME SPORTS FOR EVERYBODY.

AS MUCH AS I RESPECT JERRY, FOR THE FUNDRAISER THERE WAS A WAY TO CLEAN IT UP AND UP AT HER FASHION THAN GOVERNOR MCKEE DID.

DOREEN: EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT UNITY BRINGING BOTH PARTIES TOGETHER.

WHAT GOVERNOR MCKEE JESTED IS NOT BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

HE DIVIDED US EVEN MORE.

JIM: I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE POLITICS THIS WEEK.

THE POTENTIAL TRUMP VOTERS, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO FOR THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT.

MAYBE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A MODERATE, BUT ON THE OTHERS PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HE'S GOING TO LOSE THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF IT.

THERE'S A POLITICAL CALCULATION TO EVERYTHING, BUT I THOUGHT AREN'T THOSE THE TYPE OF VOTERS IF GOVERNOR MCKEE IS GOING TO LOSE THE LEFT, WOULDN'T HE WANT TO BRING IN SOME OF THE TRUMP VOTERS?

TRUMP IS TRUMP.

I HAVE VOTED FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS LIKE PABLO.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CANDIDATE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A GUY WHO IS THE CENTER OF THE ROAD AND TO MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THOSE PEOPLE IN, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE THINKING?

DOREEN: ABSOLUTELY, HE'S GOING TO NEED MORE THAN JUST THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE.

HE'S GOING TO NEED INDEPENDENCE AND REPUBLICANS.

AFTER THE ELECTION, VOTERS WENT BACK INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

WHATEVER THEIR PARTY AFFILIATION IS, HE'S GOING TO NEED THEM.

HE'S GOING TO NEED A WARCHEST.

THIS WAS A BAD MOVE ON HIS PART.

ROB: I WOULD AGREE COMPLETELY IF WE WERE IN A GENERAL ELECTION BUT THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS GO BEYOND, HE IS ALREADY GOING TO HAVE ISSUES BECAUSE OF HIS ISSUES ON CHARTER SCHOOLS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, TRUMP IS TOXIC IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

IT'S A NARROW QUESTION FOR THE PRIMARY IS JOB ONE AND THE TOUGHEST RACE.

HE DID THE RIGHT THING.

JIM: COULD HE HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT SPITTING IN DONALD TRUMP SITE?

THE WORDING JUST WENT RIGHT AFTER TRUMP AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE DEPLORABLE'S COMMENT.

ROB: IT WASN'T AND AS A POLITICAL MATTER AND EVEN THAT DONALD TRUMP IF HE HAD GONE THE WAY MOST EX-PRESIDENT THAAD AND BEEN RESPECTFUL, DONALD TRUMP THIS WEEK IS STILL SAYING THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT, WHICH IS INSANE.

BUT HE KEEPS DOING IT DESPITE JANUARY 6.

I DON'T THINK THAT SAYING THAT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP WAS THE PROBLEM, THE WAY JERRY ZARRELLA WAS TREATED WAS UNFAIR.

JIM: GOOD NEWS, WE ARE GETTING BACK INTO THE STUDIO NEXT WEEK.

GOVERNOR BY ZUNE IS THE NEXT TOPIC.

YOU THINK KIDS MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY EDUCATION, WHAT ABOUT GOVERNMENTS TRYING TO GOVERN THE STATEHOUSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT JOHN MARION HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS.

>> THE POSITIVES ARE THAT FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC BODIES, SCHOOL COMMITTEES IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS INCREASED ACCESS.

PUT THEM ON ZOOM, YOU CAN HAVE IT ON YOUR LAPTOP AT YOUR KITCHEN COUNTER AS YOUR FEEDING HER KIDS.

YOU CAN BE MORE CIVIC LIEN INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A HUGE POSITIVE.

ANOTHER IS THAT PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT TAKE COMMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FROM WESTERLEIGH TO PROVIDENCE TO SPEAK AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ANYMORE.

ANOTHER BENEFIT IS AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, CENTRAL FALLS, ZOOM ALLOWS YOU TO DO SIMULTANEOUS INTERPRETATION IN OTHER LANGUAGES.

ANOTHER WEEK AGO, THE PROVIDENCE CITY FINANCIAL COMMITTEE MET.

THEY HAD AN ADDITION TO 500 -- $500 MILLION.

IT WAS COMPLETELY A REMOTE MEETING, NOBODY COULD GET A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT.

WE NEED THOSE SORT OF GUARDRAILS ON ONLINE MEETINGS.

YOU CAN'T TURN YOUR CAMERA OFF IF YOU ARE ON THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS YOU WHO IS VOTING ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET.

WE HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT THE PUT THE DOCUMENTS ONLINE SO THAT IT'S JUST LIKE YOU ARE AT THE MEETING AND YOU CAN PICKUP THE PACKET AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET BEFORE THEY VOTE ON THE BUDGET.

JIM: DURING, YOU HAVE BEEN ESTATE REPRESENTATIVE AND A TOWN COUNCIL PERSON.

AS YOU LOOK AT THIS ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT?

SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS LIKE THIS, IT ACCOMMODATES SOME PEOPLE BUT IT ALSO KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO FACE THE THRONGS IN PERSON.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> I LOVE JOHN MARION.

ZOOM WAS GOOD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIRUS BECAUSE WE STILL NEEDED TO BE INFORMED ON WHAT WAS GOING ON.

WHETHER IT BE TOWN COUNCIL, STATEHOUSE, WHAT HAVE YOU.

NOW, IT'S TIME TO GO BACK.

PEOPLE MISS THE ONE ON ONE.

PEOPLE WOULD COME UP TO ME IN THE HALLWAY AND WE WOULD HAVE A FACE-TO-FACE CONVERSATION.

I WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION OR HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

WITH ZOOM, SOME OF THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES CAN DODGE THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN LEAVE THEIR ANSWER SHORT.

I THINK PEOPLE MISS THE ONE-ON-ONE.

THEY MISS ENGAGING WITH THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES OR THEIR SENATORS OR SCHOOL COMMITTEE.

YESTERDAY WHEN I LOOKED AT THE COVID NUMBERS, WE WERE 1.0%.

IT'S TIME TO GET BACK AND THE GOVERNOR SAID THAT THE MEETINGS WERE GOING TO BE AT THE STATEHOUSE BUT I SAY LET'S GET BACK INTO THE STUDIO AND BACK TO THE STATEHOUSE WHERE THE LEGISLATORS BELONG.

PABLO: I THINK WE SHOULD DO BOTH.

AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO GET INVOLVED AND NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR CIVIC DUTIES AND WHAT HAPPENS IN GOVERNMENT, ZOOM PROVIDES AN INCREDIBLE LEARNING TOOL FOR PEOPLE TO SEE HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE.

I AGREE WITH DOREEN, WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE IN PERSON MEETINGS, BUT WE SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF ZOOM OR VIDEO INTERACTIVE IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THEM OUT OF WORK TO BE AT THE STATEHOUSE IN THE AFTERNOON TO DISSIPATE -- PARTICIPATE.

ROB: I AGREE, BUT IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM AND YOU ARE A CONSTITUENT, YOU ARE AT SUCH A DISADVANTAGE.

IF YOU TRY TO MAKE A POINT, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISRESPECTFUL THAT TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND HAVE INDIRECTION, THE LOCAL OFFICIAL JUST HAS TOO MUCH POWER TO CUT YOU OFF.

I THINK THE IN PERSON IS IMPORTANT.

CONTINUING THE OPTION, A LOT OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES IN THE STATES AND I SHOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS IN RHODE ISLAND, I DON'T.

THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR COUNCIL MEETINGS TELEVISED ON LOCAL CABLE ACCESS.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WATCH IT AT A MINIMUM.

I LIKE PUBLICIZE THE A OF MAINTAINING THE ZOOM OPTION AS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

JIM: I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN COVID VACCINATIONS.

YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND SEEN THIS ROLLOUT.

WE ARE AT THAT POINT.

A MONTH AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH VACCINATIONS.

NOW, WE ARE SWIMMING IN VACCINE.

WHERE IS THE HESITANCY AND WHY ARE ALL THE SLOTS GOING UNFILLED?

>> IT REALLY IS WHAT HE SAID.

-- PRETTY SAD.

I HAVE SEEN DECREASES IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

IT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR, LATINOS ARE ONLY 35% PARTIALLY VACCINATED.

24% FULLY VACCINATED EVEN THOUGH AT SOME POINT IN THE PANDEMIC, IT WAS HALF OF THE CASES.

THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IS REALLY CREATING HESITANCY IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS NO LONGER ABOUT ACCESS, I BELIEVE.

I BELIEVE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE VACCINATED CAN BE VACCINATED.

PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, THEY ARE NOT WELL INFORMED.

IT'S CREATING A PROBLEM.

ESPECIALLY AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

NOW, WE ARE SEEING THAT THE MAJORITY OF CASES ARE AMONG PEOPLE UNDER AGE 50.

35% OF ALL HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS.

THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A RESEARCH OF THE VIRUS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND UNTIL WE REACH HERD IMMUNITY, COVID IT'S GOING TO BE WITH US FOR A LONG TIME.

JIM: DOREEN, I WONDER WHAT THE INCENTIVE IS YOUNGER PEOPLE.

I HEARD EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE THEY SAID IF YOU GET VACCINATED AND YOU GET A COVID TEST THE NIGHT BEFORE THE PROMPT, YOU STILL HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.

FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHY WOULD I GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS WHEN I STILL HAVE TO FACE THOSE RESTRICTIONS?

I THINK THE GOAL POST KEEPS MOVING AS TO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY GO BACK TO NORMAL?

I UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNOR AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAVE A LOT.

THESE ARE BIG DECISIONS TO MAKE.

HER YOUNGER PEOPLE ON THE FENCE, IT'S LIKE WHAT DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE TO MEET?

DOREEN: YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SAYING I WANT TO THE VACCINE BECAUSE I WANT TO GO TO PROM OR A FOOTBALL GAME OR PLAY SOCCER.

THEY ARE GETTING THE SHOT AND NOTHING IS CHANGING.

THEY STILL HAVE TO WEAR THEIR MASK WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

WHAT I ALSO THINK IS RIDICULOUS IS YOU ARE 16 YEARS OLD AND YOU WANT TO GET THE VACCINE, THAT'S FINE.

YOU HAVE TO TALK IT OVER WITH YOUR PARENTS.

YOU SHOULDN'T JUST GO TO THE SCHOOL AND GET THE VACCINE WITHOUT YOUR PARENTS KNOWING.

IT TO ME, THAT COULD HAPPEN.

AT 16 YEARS OLD, YOU CAN DRIVE AND YOU'RE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL.

YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND YOU DON'T TELL YOUR PARENTS THAT YOU GOT THE VACCINE?

THEN WHAT DO YOU DO?

I WOULD NEVER ALLOW MY CHILD TO GET A VACCINE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T GET IT, YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR PARENTS.

YOUR PARENT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DECISION.

JIM: QUICKLY, ROB WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE VACCINATION?

ROB: FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE GLASS HALF-FULL.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN BE DOING BETTER.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I HEAR DOREEN'S POINT.

MOST STATE COLLEGES IN NEW ENGLAND ARE GOING TO REQUIRE AND I FULLY SUPPORT THIS, COLLEGE STUDENTS TO BE VACCINATED BEFORE THEY GET BACK.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MASK REQUIREMENTS LIFTED.

I WOULD POINT THIS OUT THAT EVERYONE IS GETTING THE SAME MESSAGES YET THE STUBBORN PROBLEMS IN SOME OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES, THE STUBBORN PROBLEMS ARE AMONG REPUBLICANS.

THAT IS CONTINUED.

DOREEN: NO IT'S NOT.

MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR ALREADY VACCINATED.

ROB: LOOK AT THE STATISTICS.

REPUBLICANS ARE MUCH MORE VACCINE HESITANT.

THAT'S A FACT.

IT'S NOT IN DISPUTE.

I'M NOT SAYING YOUR FRIENDS ARE VACCINATED.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE VACCINE.

THAT IS A HARD THING TO OVERCOME.

WE HAVE TO KEEP OVERCOMING IT AND IF WE KEEP WORKING ON IT, IT'S ALL HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

JIM: LET'S GO TO OUTRAGES.

DOREEN: I'M GOING TO GO TO MY OUTRAGE WHICH IS ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE CAROL MACKIN T. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S THINKING ABOUT PUTTING LEGISLATION IN THAT YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT CAN HELP YOU WHEN YOU WORK.

WHAT ABOUT OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS, RESTAURANT OWNERS?

THEY WERE WORKING, IT WASN'T FOLLOWING THEM TO THEIR JOB.

THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I HAVE HEARD ALL YEAR.

JIM: WHERE DOES THAT STAND AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATION?

DOREEN: IT'S GOING TO PASS.

I GOT SOME REALLY GOOD BILLS PASSED.

EVERY BILL IS HELPFUL FOR THE STUDY INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING UNTIL THREE DAYS BEFORE A SESSION AND.

JIM: THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SHOW.

PABLO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

PABLO: I HAVE AN OUTRAGE.

A NEW STUDY PUBLISHED RECENTLY SHOWING THE WHEN POLICE KILL A BLACK PERSON IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RISK OF DELIVERING A CHILD OF A BLACK MOTHER BETWEEN 32 AND 33 WEEKS INCREASED BY 81%.

SYSTEMIC RACISM, VIOLENCE BY POLICE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS AT A TIME WHEN MATERNAL MENTALITY FOR BLACK WOMEN IS THREE OR FOUR TIMES THAT OF BLACK -- WHITES.

WE NEED TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AS A HEALTH PROBLEM.

ROB: I HAVE A KUDO AND AN OUTRAGE.

A KUDO TO LIZ CHENEY.

AT GREAT POLITICAL RISK, SHE WAS SAVVY AND NEW WITH THE RISK WAS.

SHE STOOD UP FOR THE TRUTH.

SHE STOOD UP AND SAID THE ELECTION WAS FREE AND FAIR WHICH THE EVIDENCE SHOWS STOOD UP AND CRITICIZED THE FORMER PRESIDENT ABOUT THE JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION.

JOHN F. KENNEDY SAID IT'S A SHORT BOOK BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COURAGEOUS POLITICIANS LIKE HER.

OUTRAGE IS DONALD TRUMP.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN 27 OTHER PEOPLE ON THE SAME TOPIC, BUT HE IS STILL THE SOURCE.

COMPLETELY UNDETERRED BY THE HAVOC OF JANUARY 6.

HE IS CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THE BIG LIE AND CONTINUING TO SAY THE ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT.

EVEN DOING STUFF LIKE SAYING HE WON MICHIGAN EVEN THOUGH HE LOST BY 100,000 VOTES.

CONTINUING IT DESPITE THE DAMAGE AND THE WRECKAGE.

INSTEAD, WHAT HE COULD HAVE BEEN DOING IS IMAGINE TRUMP RALLIES AROUND THE COUNTRY TO GET THE VACCINE.

IF HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT 2024, IT WOULD HAVE BOOSTED HIS APPROVAL RATINGS BY ABOUT 10 POINTS.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHAT HE DOES.

JIM: I CAN'T LET THAT GO UNANSWERED.

WE ARE OUT OF TIME FOR THE MAIN SHOW, BUT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS ON LIVELY EXTRA.

DOREEN HAS A LITTLE EYE TWITCH GOING ON.

SHE WANTS TO RESPOND.

GO TO OUR WEBSITE.

AS I PREVIEWED IN THE BEGINNING, THIS IS THE LAST YOU ARE GOING TO SEE US ON ZOOM.

MIKE EVANS, WE ARE GOING BACK INTO THE STUDIOS NEXT WEEK.

I WILL KISS THE GROUND WILL MAKE IT THERE.

THANK YOU TO MY GUESTS.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS ONLINE MOMENTARILY.

FOR THE REST OF YOU, COME BACK HERE NEXT WEEK AS WE CONTINUE.

WE HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEK.