>> THIS WEEK ON A LIVELY EXPERIMENT, WHAT TO DO WITH A SURPLUS IN RHODE ISLAND BUDGET.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT NEW IDEAS.

THE FALLOUT OVER THE ABORTION ISSUE CONTINUES NATIONALLY AND HERE AT HOME.

>> THE LIVELY EXPERIMENT IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> I'M JOHN HAYES AND WHITE -- HAZENWHITE, IT HAS PROVIDED POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I'M A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM.

[CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CARDI'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES] MARCELA: JOINING US -- >> JOINING US FOR THE DISCUSSION, DON ROACH, MARCELLA BETANCOURT, AND POLITICAL STRATEGIST ROB HOROWITZ.

WELCOME TO LIVELY EXPERIMENT.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY LONG TIME, LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR HAVE AN UNFAMILIAR DILEMMA, WHAT TO DO WITH MORE THAN HALF A BILLION EXTRA DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO THEM IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

GOVERNOR MCKEE -- SENATE PRESIDENT WANTS TO ELIMINATE THE STATES CAR TAX.

I DON'T MEMBER THIS AT ALL.

WHAT DO YOU THINK AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS, IT IS AN EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES?

WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME, STRUCTURAL DEFICIT MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS DOWN THE LINE.

DON: IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE WE ARE HERE TODAY --WE HAVE BEEN IN A PANDEMIC FOR YEARS.

I DEFINITELY AGREE WE HAVE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY IN RHODE ISLAND.

DO I THINK WE WILL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT?

NO.

SOME OF THE IDEAS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A BIG CRISIS AT THE MOMENT.

THE SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITH THIS MONEY TO ADDRESS THAT.

JIM: ROB?

ROB: ASIDE FROM THE SURPLUSES IN THE BUDGET YOU HAVE THE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT.

IT IS IMPORTANT RHODE ISLAND -- MY FEAR WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND THAT, WE LOOK AT THIS FIVE OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW AND THEY WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO?

HOUSING IS A GOOD BET, YOU COULD DO IT ON CONSTRUCTION AND STUFF THAT DOES NOT BUILDING COSTS.

IT DOES NOT BUILDING THE BIG COST.

JIM: THEY HAVE ALLOCATED $250 MILLION OUT OF THE FUNDS, WE HAVE $600 MILLION SURPLUS.

YOU WONDER, TAX INCREASE?

NOT A TAX INCREASE, A TAX CUT, LOST MY HEAD.

MARCELA: ASIDE FROM HOUSING, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PROGRAMS.

I A GREAT BUT SADLY I DON'T THINK WE ARE BOLD ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO MAKE INVESTMENTS INSTEAD OF JUST PROGRAMS THAT LOOK SHINY .

THERE IS INVESTMENT IN HOUSING BUT THERE IS INCREDIBLE WORKFORCE PROGRAMS TO DO.

SEVERAL OF THESE HAVE PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS.

BEHAVIOR HEALTH IS A HUGE ISSUE IN OUR STATE NOT ONLY TODAY BUT IN OUR DECADE.

INVESTING IN A WORKFORCE NOT ONLY TO PAY INDIVIDUALS, WE HAVE TO BE MORE BOLD IN WHAT IS POSSIBLE.

FOUR YEARS FROM NOW WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS MONEY.

THE INVESTMENTS WE MAKE TODAY WE WILL SEE IN THE FUTURE.

DON: THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

YOU STILL NEED TO GO UP.

IF WE COULD MAKE A BET ON EDUCATION, THE PROBLEM IS WITH EDUCATION, THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY A CORRELATION BETWEEN MORE MONEY AND BETTER SCHOOL PERFORMANCE.

GIVEN HOW UNDERPERFORMING OUR SCHOOLS ARE, SMART INVESTMENTS THAT BUILD ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE ANOTHER THAT RHODE ISLAND SHOULD MAKE.

JIM: WE SAW THAT PROTEST AT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE YESTERDAY, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IN HER CAR.

WE HAVE ALL OF THIS MONEY AND THE FRUSTRATION IS IT IS NOT GETTING OUT THE DOOR.

I UNDERSTAND YOU CAP BUILD HOUSING OVERNIGHT, WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREET?

MARCELA: I AGREE, JUST READING THE ARTICLES AND HEARING FROM THIS WOMAN AND SO MANY OTHERS THAT ARE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SHELTERS.

OVER CITY HAS TO DO THIS.

IT IS AN EMERGENCY FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

THERE IS CREATIVE WAYS IN OTHER STATES.

THE FACT THAT WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THE FALL TO DO THIS OR AT ANY OTHER POINT, WE HAVE TO BUILD TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR INDIVIDUALS.

IT IS A REALLY DIFFICULT PROCESS.

JIM: THE SALES TAX WENT UP IN 1991 TO PAY FOR THE BANKING PRICES.

THE CREDIT UNION COLLAPSED.

THAT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A YEAR.

THE GOVERNOR HAS TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GETTING COMPETITIVE WITH CONNECTICUT AND MASSACHUSETTS.

YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT FILLING THAT GAP AND MAYBE YOU USE THAT MONEY, WHAT ABOUT A SALES TAX CUT?

DON: I DON'T THINK IT WILL HELP THAT MUCH.

WE WERE TALKING, WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

PARTIALLY WHY WE ARE NOT DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO BUSINESS IN RHODE ISLAND ACTIVELY FROM THE STATE LEVEL.

I WOULD LOVE TO CS FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT COULD BRING SOME REAL CHANGE TO RHODE ISLAND.

ROB: YOU ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT THE TOP PEOPLE AND THEY WILL LOOK AT RHODE ISLAND'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

IT IS ALSO BECAUSE WORKFORCE IS ALSO CRITICAL.

IF YOU GET BETTER SCHOOL PERFORMANCE FOR THE STATE OF PEOPLE IN RHODE ISLAND, YOU'LL HAVE AN UPGRADED, BETTER WORKFORCE.

I'M NOT BEING ON THE SALES TAX.

THE MARGINAL DIFFERENCE WILL NOT MAKE A COMPETITIVE EDGE.

I WOULD BE MORE FOR THE ROGERIO PROPOSAL.

THAT GETS RID OF ONE TAX COMPLETELY.

JIM: IF THE GOVERNOR WAS ASKING YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HIM?

MARCELA: YOU HAVE TO BUILD TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IMMEDIATELY.

HOUSING IS NOT AN EASY ISSUE.

THERE ARE MANY PROPOSALS AND SOLUTIONS.

INCREDIBLE PEOPLE DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW WE ONLY FOCUS ON ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.

WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING MORE THAN ONE.

JIM: THE FALLOUT CONTINUES FROM LAST WEEK'S LEAKED SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATE IF IT GOES THROUGH ROE V. WADE.

YOU WROTE A COLUMN THIS WEEK.

THERE ARE SO MUCH TO UNPACK.

YOU ARE ON SET WHEN WE WERE TALKING IN 2019 WHEN RHODE ISLAND CODIFIED IT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL FALLOUT.

ROB: SINCE ROE, BY LARGE INDIVIDUAL RACES COULD BE DIFFERENT.

THE POLITICAL BENEFITS HAVE DONE MORE TO REPUBLICANS AND THE PRO-LIFE SIDE BECAUSE FOLKS THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE AND VOTERS THAT ARE PRO-CHOICE ARE TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT ABORTION IS RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR OWN HEALTH DECISIONS.

IT WAS A GIVEN.

PEOPLE ON THE PRO-LIFE SIDE WERE OUTRAGED BY THE DECISION AND WORKS REALLY HARD.

HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS POLITICALLY.

I THINK THAT WILL SHIP.

HOW MUCH?

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU HAVE THE REVERSE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE TO MOTIVATE VOTERS WHO ARE PRO-CHOICE ASSUMING THIS WAS A COMPLETE TURNAROUND.

THERE IS A NOTE OF CAUTION.

60% OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO KEEP WROTE -- ROE.

THAT IS TRUE.

THE MESSAGING NEEDS TO BE CAUTIOUS AND CAREFUL.

BILL CLINTON'S OLD FORMULATION THAN SHOULD BE SAFE, LEGAL, AND RARE IS HOW TO APPROACH THIS.

JIM: THOUGHTS?

MARCELA: THIS IS A DIFFICULT, SAD, AND FRUSTRATING ISSUE.

I'M HOPING THIS IS HOW OTHERS COULD PROGRAM TOGETHER.

YESTERDAY I WAS READING SOMETHING ABOUT -- ONE OF THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE COUNTRY.

WHEN AND IF THIS IS OVERTURNED, NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT GOING TO PREVENT ABORTIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS FEELING OF HEALTH CARE INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT IS INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT AS A STATE WE CARE SO LITTLE ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

IT IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.

>> IN GENERAL WE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT HEALTH CARE FOR THE MOST PART.

I AM A PRO-LIFE GUY.

I WAS NOT JUMPING UP AND DOWN WHENEVER THIS LEAK.

TO ME THAT IS FABRIC OF DEMOCRACY, THAN JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION ACT YOU WILL.

IT IS A REALLY COMPLEX ISSUE.

WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-CHOICE.

I HATE THE VILLAINOUS NATION IF YOU ARE PRO-CHOICE OR PRO-LIFE.

I HATE HOW THE NEWS MEDIA CALLS PRO-LIFE PEOPLE ANTIABORTION.

MY POSITION IS PRO-LIFE.

I FEEL AS THOUGH WE HAVE COME TO A PLACE WHERE SIX OUT OF 10 FOLKS FIGURE SOME FORM OF ABORTION.

THIS USED TO BE THE HILL THAT I WOULD DIE DOWN.

A GUY WHO I USED TO WORK WITH, FRANK BARNES IS AN EDUCATED.

PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOMEONE WAS PRO-LIFE BUT AGAINST EVERYTHING ELSE AND JUST WANTED TO DESTROY LIFE, WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THEM?

I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AS A COUNTRY IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BE DESTROYED BY THE THOUGHTS OF NINE PEOPLE.

>> I THINK IT IS INTERESTING.

I THINK ROE V. WADE IS RIGHTLY DECIDED.

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A COURT DECISION, THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WORKED OUT, MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, ABORTION IS LEGAL.

THERE ARE MORE RESTRICTIONS AS YOU GET CLOSER TO VIABILITY.

HERE WE HAVE VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL POLITICS.

IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE DECISION, YOU MIGHT'VE HAD A POLITICAL SOLUTION.

ABORTION MIGHT'VE BEEN LEGAL THROUGHOUT THE NATION BUT HAD MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROCEDURE.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO A FAIRLY LARGE SCALE CULTURE.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE EXTREMISM IS, IT WAS AND ALWAYS.

IT IS ON THE PRO-LIFE SIDE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE THE STATES PASSING LAWS WITH NO EXPRESSIONS -- EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST.

ABORTION WILL BE ILLEGAL IN 25 STATES.

WHO WILL GET HURT BY THAT?

IT WILL BE LOWER INCOME WOMEN.

UPPER-CLASS WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND IT.

THE OTHER THING THAT WILL BE COMPLICATED IS THE MEDICATION IS NOW AVAILABLE.

IT WILL BE VERY COMPLEX.

I THINK FAIRLY POLARIZING.

ROB: THE EXTREMISM IS MORE ON THE PRO-LIFE SIDE, I THINK EXTREMISM IS ON BOTH SIDES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PROTEST, CELEBRATION.

THE POLARIZED PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE DEBT MORE THAN THE MODERATES.

WE TALKED RECENTLY ABOUT HOW HE IS NOT IN FAVOR OF LATE-TERM ABORTIONS OR TAXPAYER FUNDING, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A POSITION LIKE THAT?

WHY ISN'T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THAT VERSUS SAYING YOU ARE THIS, THAT, YOU ARE AN EXTREMIST?

JIM: THAT IS GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT POSITION FOR HIM.

ROB: I WATCH THE INTERVIEW ALAN DID.

I AGREE YOU COULD CARVE OUT THAT MIDDLE POSITION.

YOU NEED TO DO IT STRAIGHT OR WERE.

HE HAD SAID YES, I AM PRO-CHOICE , I BELIEVE WOMEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THIS DECISION BUT IT IS NOT UNLIMITED.

TO SIT THERE AND GO I DON'T KNOW IF I AM PRO-CHOICE, PRO-LIFE.

YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ABORTION.

HERE.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT DON TALKING , I WONDER AS WE GO AND YOU HATE TO SPEAK POLITICAL, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AS WE HEAD TO THE MIDTERMS AND OTHER ELECTIONS GOING ON YOU HAVE INFLATION KILLING PEOPLE AND ALL OF THAT.

WHAT EFFECT DO YOU THINK THIS WILL HAVE ONE PEOPLE GO TO THE VOTING BOX?

IF I AM PRO-LIFE OR PRO-CHOICE, I NEED TO WORK THAT WAY.

MARCELA: AS DON MENTIONED, HISTORICALLY THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED TYPICALLY PRO-LIFE OR PRO-CHOICE.

IN SEVERAL STATES, MAYBE EVEN HOURS THAT MIGHT STILL BE THE CASE.

ABORTION AND HEALTH CARE, IT IS NOT JUST AN ISSUE.

IT IMPACTS SO MANY OTHER THINGS.

I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

MY RIGHT TO HOW THAT WILL IMPACT MY WORK, INCOME, HOUSING.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE CONNECTED TOGETHER.

I THINK VOTERS AROUND THE COUNTRY WILL BE THINKING ABOUT THIS.

DON: I WANT TO GO BACK ON THE STATEMENT ABOUT IT BEING WISHY-WASHY.

JIM: YOU HAVE MADE IT CLEAR YOU HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT.

DON: I THINK IT IS FAIR OF HIM NOT WANT TO HIMSELF PRO-CHOICE BUT PRO-LIFE, WHY CAN'T WE REFRAME THE QUESTION?

HE WAS VERY CLEAR ON WHAT HIS POSITION WAS.

THE PROBLEM IS WE CANNOT HAVE MODERATE PEOPLE.

HE IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE GAME ON THAT.

ROB: I THINK YOU COULD BE MODERATE BUT ON THE ISSUE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY I AM NOT PRO-CHOICE WHEN HE IS BY ANY DEFINITION, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE A PRO-LIFE WORD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRECISE.

WHAT I OBSERVED WAS I LIKE THIS, THAT, I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIND SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOUR POSITION AS, IT WILL BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE.

POLITICALLY IT IS A DOG THAT WON'T HUNT.

JIM: AS THE CAMPAIGN UNFOLDS, WE WILL WATCH THAT.

I SIGN INTERESTING NOTE, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PROGRAM?

MARCELA: HOPEFULLY I THINK IT IS A REALLY INTERESTING PROGRAM.

I DO THINK HOPEFULLY IT IS NOT A ONE-TIME THING.

I HOPE EVERY PERSON IN THE PROVIDENCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TRAINED.

THOUGHTFUL TRAINING I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INVESTMENT I HOPE IT IS FOR THE LONG-TERM.

I HOPE WHOEVER COMES INTO THE ADMINISTRATION IN THIS CITY CONTINUES THIS.

IF IT WORKS AND COULD BE A REALLY INTERESTING THING.

IT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE IF IT IS NOT DONE WELL.

SOME OF THESE POLICE OFFICERS IN THESE COMMUNITIES.

THEY SHOULD BE RESPONDING IN A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO.

I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS BECOME -- POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT BE INTERACTION WITH MIGHT HAVE ACCESS FROM THE HEALTH CENTER.

IT IS NOT A THING FOR EVERYONE IN PROVIDENCE.

JIM: THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRACTICAL ONE AND MAYBE A LITTLE AHEAD OF ITS TIME.

THIS IS THE FIRST BUT HAVE HEARD FROM A POLICE DEPARTMENT THE SIZE.

>> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

AS A PARENT OF A CHILD WHO HAS AUTISM, WHEN MY SON WAS 10 OR 11 YEARS OLD HE RAN AWAY FROM A CARETAKER AND HE WAS FOUND BY A LOCAL PERSON.

THE POLICE WERE THERE AND HE COULD NOT SAY HIS NAME.

MY WIFE AND I.

HE WAS OLDER WHAT COULD'VE HAPPENED TO HIM.

THIS KIND OF POLICING IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL FOR A LOT OF CULTS WHO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS BUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY MORE OF A THREAT TO THEMSELVES THAN THEY ARE SOMEONE ELSE.

THEY ARE NOT TRAINED PSYCHOLOGISTS.

JUST LIKE I AM NOT A TRAINED POLICE OFFICER.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT MYSELF -- ATTIC THIS KIND OF SUPPORT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY.

>> NEWARK AND LOS ANGELES ARE CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE AND ARE DOING THIS PROGRAM.

IT IS GETTING SOME GOOD -- JIM: IS THAT IN THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD OR WAS THAT IN THE WORKS?

>> IT WAS IN THE WORKS BUT GEORGE FLOYD ACCELERATED IT.

IT ALSO FREES UP THE POLICE TO FOCUS ON VIOLENT CRIMES.

WE HAVE HAD A SPIKE AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THEY COULD UNIQUELY HANDLE SOMETHING.

ON THE VIOLENT SIDE AS YOU CAN HANDLE THESE CALLS, THAT IS GREAT TOO.

IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

IT DOES ALSO DACHSHUND IS A BETTER USE OF RESOURCES.

JIM: THIS GOT LOST IN THE WHOLE DEFUND THE POLICE.

NOT DEFUND BUT MAYBE SHIFT THE RESOURCES.

MARCELA: ABSOLUTELY, EXACTLY.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AGO, HOW ARE WE USING OUR RESOURCES?

THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING.

THIS, WE TALK ABOUT POLICING AND THE WORK WE DO, IT IS IMPORTANT.

THERE ARE SO MANY LETTERS TO THIS.

IT IS JUST A CITY.

I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO MORE THAT WE COULD BE DOING.

ROB: MY OUTRAGE AND SENATOR RAND PAUL.

NOT JUST THE FACT THAT HE EXISTS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK.

LAST NIGHT HE BLOCKED A VOTE ON UKRAINE.

IT HAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, CHUCK NEWTON -- CHUCK SCHUMER, THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER IS SUPPORTING IT.

HE SAID HE WON -- WANTED AN AMENDMENT BLOCKED IT ANYWAY.

ALL THIS IS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A VOTE.

IT IS STILL GOING TO PASS.

ALL THIS DOES IS DELAY GETTING MONEY.

JIM: NOW WE DUMBS UP THE WORK -- GUMS UP THE WORK.

ROB: HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO JUMP ON IT.

BLOCKING ABOUT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT RACING, LITTLE MORE MONEY AND GET TV TIME.

DON: THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE IN RHODE ISLAND OUTRAGE BUT MY PHILADELPHIA 76ERS LOST LAST NIGHT.

WE HAVE NOT WON A CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1983.

I'M HOPING THE CREW COME BACK STRONGER.

JIM: I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE MY NORTH CAROLINA GUY DANNY GREEN GOT TAKEN OUT BY JOELLEN -- JOEL EMBIID ON AN EGRIGIOUS FLOP.

MARCELA: MY KUDOS ARE TWO COLLEGE GRADUATES THIS WEEK.

IT WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL TO SEE ADULT LEARNERS IN THEIR GRADUATION GOWNS WITH FAMILIES.

PEOPLE ARE PURSUING EDUCATION.

WHATEVER AGE, WHATEVER PLACE IN YOUR LIFE YOU ARE.

JIM: ONE OF THE SPEAKERS WAS AN OLDER GUY.

MARCELA: HE WAS IN HIS 60'S.

I DIDN'T SAY HE WAS ALL, YOU SAID YOU WAS OLD.

JIM: HAVING GONE THROUGH COLLEGE, YOUNG PARENTS AND DO IN COLLEGE WHEN YOU'RE OLDER IT TAKES AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF ENERGY.

ALSO, PEOPLE TRYING TO GO BACK AND TRYING TO DOUBLE IT -- JUGGLE IT.

MARCELA: IT WAS HARD BUT I WAS 18.

JIM: ONE THING THAT IS GOING ON IS THE RESURRECTION OF THE SUPER BUILDING.

THEY PASSED THE FINANCIAL PACKAGE THAT WAS EXPECTED THIS WEEK, $21 MILLION.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT STATE SUBSIDIES, IS THIS APPROPRIATE?

I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE PROPOSAL.

>> I LIKE THE PROPOSAL IN THEORY.

WITH THE SUPERMAN BUILDING I HAVE HEARD ON MANY PROPOSALS OVER THE YEARS.

WE NEED HOUSING.

I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.

>> I LIKE THE PROPOSAL.

WHEN YOU COME BACK THREE OR FOUR MORE TIMES.

HE IS ON THE HOOK.

THE PROJECTS CAN BE FINISHED.

I DO THINK THEY STARTED OUT WITH MORE REALISTIC ESTIMATE.

MARCELA: I HAVE WEIRD, MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT.

IT IS AN INTERESTING ISSUE.

I AM WARNING ABOUT THE USE APARTMENTS.

JIM: THEY THREW THE AFFORDABLE IS BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR BACKS.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE FUNDING UNLESS YOU DO THIS.

MARCELA: AS SOMEONE WHO RENTS IN THE CITY OF PROBABLY THE -- PROVIDENCE, THAT IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

JIM: THERE IS NO PARKING.

IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE, WE ARE NOT IN NEW YORK CITY.

IF YOU HAVE 240 PEOPLE, LOOKING THEY DO ABOUT THAT?

DON: THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF RHODE ISLAND PUBLICATION -- PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS NOT GREAT TO PUT IT MILDLY.

THE SURPLUS COULD BE INVESTED IN SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

JIM: DR. SUPERMAN BUILDING DOWN AND MAKE IT A PARKING LOT.

>> IT IS HARD TO PARK DOWNTOWN AND PEOPLE RENTS DOWNTOWN.

TRANSIT IS ACCESSIBLE.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE ANYWHERE IN RHODE ISLAND WITHOUT A CAR, THAT IS NOT A BAD PLACE.

IT IS AN EXTRA EXPENSE.

JIM: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

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