>> THE GOVERNOR SAYS THE STATE NEEDS TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.

ORDERING NEW DECADE VEHICLES.

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS CONSIDERING DOZENS OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO HOW OUR ELECTIONS ARE RUN.

WE SIT DOWN WITH A RHODE ISLAND SECRETARY OF STATE TO SEE WHICH BILLS HE IS BACKING.

>> A LIVELY EXPERIMENT IS GENERALLY UNDERWRITTEN BY --.

>> FOR OVER 30 YEARS, LIVELY EXPERIMENT HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM ON RHODE ISLAND PBS.

>> JOINING US ON THE PANEL OUR POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR EMILY LYNCH.

AND THE CLINICAL REPORTER FOR THE PUBLIC RADIO.

KEN BLOCK, FOUNDER OF A NONPROFIT GROUP WATCHDOG.

>> HELLO.

WELCOME TO LIVELY.

GOVERNOR MCKEE ANNOUNCED THAT THE STATE WILL BAN THE SALE OF ALL GASOLINE POWERED VEHICLES BY 2035.

THE AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE CALLS FOR A 3% OF ALL SALES TO BE ELECTRIC.

THAT NUMBER WOULD INCREASE TO -- 268% BY 2030 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT 12 YEARS FROM A.

IT WASN'’T ON OUR RADAR SCREEN, AND AS USUAL, IT WAS THE EXECUTION.

IT SOUNDS GREAT IN THEORY, BUT GETTING FROM THERE TO HEAR ON CHARGING STATIONS IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

>> WE FALL INTO TWO MAIN CAMPS.

WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO GOVERNOR MCKEE, AND IN HIS VIEW, THIS WAS A NO-BRAINER.

THIS IS WHERE TECHNOLOGY AND TRANSPORTATION IS HEADED, AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT EVEN IF RHODE ISLAND IS THE SMALLEST STATE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WE SEE HOW REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLTURE LIKE BRIAN NEWBERRY SEE THIS AS BEING A HEAVY HAND OF BIG GOVERNMENT, THEY QUESTION WHETHER CONSUMERS WILL PAY HIGHER COSTS, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE THE DIRECTION THEY ARE STILL GOING.

MORE STATES MAY GO IN THIS DIRECTION.

>> AS I SAID, CHARGING STATIONS ARE HARD TO FIND THESE DAYS.

>> WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN CHARGING STATIONS ACROSS THE STATE, BUT I AGREE THAT WE ARE SEEING A TREND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER PROMOTE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND WE HAVE THE AUTO INDUSTRY WITH THEIR BUY-IN TO CREATE MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND WE SEE INDIVIDUAL STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA, OUR NEIGHBORS, MASSACHUSETTS, WE HAVE VERMONT, CONNECTICUT LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL.

SO, IT MAKES SENSE.

WE HAVE A CLIMATE INITIATIVE AND AN ACT THAT IS SIGNED INTO LAW FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHERE YOU REALLY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, AND WE NEED TO SEE CHANGES.

THAT SAID, WE NEED PUBLIC BY THEM.

YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL POLLS.

THERE IS A POLL FROM A YEAR AGO, THE RESEARCH CENTER, FOUND THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS OPPOSE THIS PHASEOUT OF GAS POWERED VEHICLES.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'’S A PARTISAN ISSUE.

YOU BREAK IT DOWN FURTHER, AND DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF -- IT MAKES SENSE, THAT DEMOCRATS SUPPORT THIS PHASEOUT, NATIONALLY.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS IF YOU LOOK FURTHER INTO THE DATA, MODERATE DEMOCRATS ARE SPLIT.

WE TRANSLATE THAT INTO LOOKING AT RHODE ISLAND, WE HAVE A LOT OF ROBERT -- MODERATES, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GET SOME POLLS TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

>> DON'’T TAKE MY CAMRY.

I'’M GOING TO KEEP DRIVING THAT.

CAN I TELL YOU THAT MY 2001 CAMRY WITH 267,000 MILES ON IT JUST FAILED, SO IT'’S GOTTA GO.

AND IT'’S PROBABLY TIME TO GO, BUT THE COST OF CARS THESE DAYS IS AN ISSUE FOR SOME PEOPLE WITH OLDER CARS.

>> IS PREMATURE TO MANDATE THE END OF GAS POWERED BE A CLOSE.

RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE A THEATER MILE TRIP, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND YOU WILL HAVE TO CHARGE SOMEWHERE.

THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE.

IF YOUR GOING LOCALLY, YOU CAN CHARGE IN YOUR GARAGE AND IT WORKS.

FOR ANYONE WHO USES THEIR VEHICLE FOR A LONGER TRIP, WE ARE NOT READY.

THE OF A STRUCTURE IS NOT IN PLACE.

I AM PERSONALLY CONSIDERING AN EV, BUT TRAVEL TO ALBANY A LOT, AND IS 200 MILES DID YOU ARE BUMPING INTO RANGE ANXIETY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LENGTH.

I THINK, WE LIVE IN A SMALL STATE.

WE LIVE IN A SMALL REGION.

ANY SORT OF BLANKET PROHIBITION THAT YOU CAN'’T I CART HERE DOESN'’T MEAN YOU CAN BUY ONE SOMEWHERE ALSO BRING YOU HERE.

I LOOK AT THIS LEGISLATION AS MORE OF A ASPIRATIONAL THING AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY MAKE A BIG INFERENCE.

EXIT IS GOOD AS A FIRST STEP AND WE ARE MOVING THAT WAY.

IT'’S INTERESTING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE INDUSTRY BUY-IN.

I HAD HEARD A PODCAST EARLIER IN THE MONTH THAT SAID IS 200 MILES THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT.

IF THEY CAN GET IT UP TO FIVE OR SIX OF YOUR MILES, AND THAT TECHNOLOGY WILL EVOLVE SOON.

>> THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT.

WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THE COST OF THESE VEHICLES TO DROP AND WITH THIS PLAN, THIS MAN, IT WILL INCREASE -- THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY.

IN THE STATE.

, RIGHT?

BUT, THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT -- THERE NEEDS TO BE A GOAL TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THINKING ABOUT THE USAGE OF ELECTRICITY WITHIN THE STATE, AND ARE THE GRIDS PREPARED IF WE WANT SEE AN INCREASE IN THE USAGE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

WHAT KIND OF UPDATES DO WE NEED TO SEE ACROSS THE STATE?

THAT IS AN ISSUE.

THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS.

ELECTRICITY.

THAT IS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO GREENHOUSE.

>> HOW YOU MANUFACTURE #>> THAT'’S WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS RHODE ISLAND -- WHAT DO THEY LIKE TO DO AND PRODUCING ELECTRICITY IN A WAY WHERE THE FOCUS IS ON RENEWABLE RESOURCES LIKE WIND AND SOLAR.

>> TO GO BACK YOUR ORIGINAL POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE A BOLD MOVE BY THE GOVERNOR.

A LOT WILL CHANGE WITH TECHNOLOGY BETWEEN NOW AND 2035.

ASK THE POLITICS OF IT IS INTERESTING.

THIS IS BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE -- SHOULD THE LEGISLATURE BE VOTING ON THIS?

THAT'’S AN IN THE WEEDS QUESTION.

IT'’S INTERESTING IT IS FALLING ON EEM, AND THEY WILL GET IN YOUR OWN WHEN THEY HAVE THAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THE POLITICS OF IT?

>> EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL THESE DAYS.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHETHER THE SKIES BLUE OR LIGHT BLUE, IT BECOMES AN IDEOLOGICAL BATTLE.

YEAH.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FIGHT ABOUT IT.

I PREFER A LIGHTER GOVERNMENT HAND IN A HEAVIER GOVERNOR -- GOVERNMENT HAND IN GENERAL.

I THINK WHATEVER WE PASS NOW WILL HAVE TO BE MODIFIED BEFORE 2035.

>> YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE 12 YEARS AGO AND HOW QUICKLY IT WENT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE HYBRID HEAR THAT YOU'’RE CONSIDERING?

>> CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW.

ASK MY WIFE HAS A HYBRID.

>> SHE LIKES IT WAX YES.

ASK WE WERE CONSIDERING A HYBRID.

>> I'’M NOT TRY TO SHAME YOU.

IF YOU TAKE THE SNAPSHOT POLL, WHERE ARE WE, ALL OF US NEED TO GET THAT.

>> THOUGH RESEARCH FOR LIVE MENTIONED, THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR INCENTIVES TO PURCHASE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SO IT EC TAX REBATES, IF THERE IS MORE OF A -- EXCUSE ME, TAX CREDIT, AND REBATES AND FEDERAL CREDITS, THAT MAY INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE >> IT IS A CARROT, RATHER THAN A STICK.

>> OBVIOUSLY.

>> THERE ARE DOZENS OF BILLS BEFORE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ABOUT ELECTION LAWS.

THESE COME UP EVERY YEAR.

SOME OF THESE ARE NEW.

IN CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH A NEWLY ELECTED SECRETARY OF STATE.

HE IS INTERESTED IN A COUPLE OF THESE BILLS.

HE IS BEHIND HALF A DOZEN OF THEM.

HERE'’S A LITTLE OF MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM.

ASK >> SERVE A LOT OF BILLS IN VOTING IN ELECTIONS, AND YOU HAVE HAD A HANDFUL ON YOUR BEHALF.

LET'’S START WITH SAME-DAY REGISTRATION.

>> SAME-DAY REGISTRATION WAS PART OF THE BIGGER LET RHODE ISLAND BOAT PACKAGE BUT IT WAS NOT PASSED IN THE LAST SESSION.

THE INTERESTING THING IS IT CAME FROM CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE.

IT IS EMBEDDED IN THE RHODE ISLAND CONSTITUTION THAT THE 30 DAY IS THE LIMIT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM QUESTION, GO TO THE PEOPLE OF RHODE ISLAND WHO WOULD THEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS REMOVED AND THEN SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION BE AN OPTION.

AT THAT POINT, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD DETERMINE WHAT THAT ACTION LOOKS LIKE READ THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT WINDOW, THAT IS ESTABLISHING BASED ON BUREAUCRACY.

THE ABILITY OF PAPER TO MOVE FROM ONE TO ANOTHER.

NOW AT THE CENTRAL VOTER REGISTRATION SYSTEM THAT BARRIER NO LONGER EXIST.

THERE IS NO REASON WE CANNOT REGISTER FOLKS TODAY DAY OF THE ELECTION.

IT IS AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULDN'’T TAKE PLACE AT A POLLING PLACE.

IT WOULD TAKE PLACE AT A SINGLE DESIGNATED PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD REGISTER AND VOTE AT THE SAME PLACE.

ALL WORKERS WHO ONLY WORK EVERY TWO YEARS WOULD NOT BE BURDENED WITH SAME-DAY REGISTRATION.

YOU WANT TO MOVE THE PRIMARY A.

>> WE DO.

>> WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PRIMARY.

THAT IS THAT THE LAST PRIMARY OR THE SECOND TO LAST VERY EVERY YEAR.

WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE GENERAL, AND WE BUMP INTO THE FEDERAL MOVE ACT WHICH REQUIRES US TO SEND OVERSEAS MILITARY BALLOTS TO FOLKS 45 DAYS AHEAD OF THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN IN EFFECT?

>> 1993.

>> I HAVEN'’T HEARD ANYTHING UNTIL NOW.

NEXT WE ARE SKATING ON THIN ICE UNTIL NOW.

>> WE ARE GETTING BY EVERY YEAR?

>> I THINK WHAT HAS DRAWN MY ATTENTION IS ELECTIONS ARE BEING AND TEST -- CONTESTED NOW, AND IF THEY ARE BEING LITIGATED OR THERE ARE MULTIPLE RECOUNTS, YOU ARE GOING TO PUSH THAT RESULT, THAT CERTIFICATION OFF TO THE WIND WHERE YOU WILL NOT GET THOSE BALLOTS OUT.

IF WE DISENFRANCHISE ONE OF OUR OVERSEAS MILITARY PERSONNEL, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

>> FOR MY FULL INTERVIEW WITH SECRETARY MOORE, YOU CAN VISIT THE RHODE ISLAND PBS YOUTUBE PAGE AT FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW SECRETARY MOORE IS MY BROTHER-IN-LAW.

IT IS A WHOLE RHODE ISLAND.

>> YOU KNOW AS A REPORTER, YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE, YES.

>> ABSENTLY.

>> WITH THE WHAT -- WHAT THE SECRETARY SAID, THAT COULD SCREW UP THE TIMING OF HOW WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE PRIMARIES AND THE GENERAL.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER GOOD REASONS TO MOVE THAT IN APRIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

KENT HAS BEEN AT CANADA AND KNOWS WHAT A SCRAMBLE IT IS BETWEEN THE PRIMARY AND A SHORT TIME LATER.

>> WE SAW SOME CONTESTED RACES LAST FALL.

THAT TELLS US A LOT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A NATION, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF GOOD GOVERNMENT, I THINK THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE TO HAVE A PRIMARY IN APRIL AND THERE CAN BE A MORE THOUGHT OUT AND METHODICAL APPROACH BY CANDIDATES IN THE MEDIA TO COVER AN ISSUE, AND CANDIDATES WHEN THERE IS MORE OF A LAPSE OF A TIME BETWEEN THE PRIMARY AND THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> LOOK.

AS A TWO-TIME CREMATORIA CANDIDATE, I HAVE BEEN TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT OUR SEVEN-WEEK GENERAL ELECTION IS SILLY.

IT IS COMPARED TO A YEAR AND A HALF, DEVOTED TO THE PRIMARY, AT LEAST AT THE STATEWIDE LEVEL FOR THOSE RACES.

IT IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO RAISE MONEY.

IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT.

FOR THAT REASON ALONE, WE SHOULD BACK OUR PRIMARIES AT LEAST UNTIL JUNE OR MAY.

THAT IS WHERE THE BULK OF THE STATES TEND TO DO THEIR PRIMARY.

WE ARE EXTREMELY LATE IN THE SESSION, AND FOR THAT ALONE, IT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

I KNOW THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DOESN'’T LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DO THEIR BUSINESS AND HVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUNNING THEIR PRIMARIES, BUT LOOK.

OUR LAWS ARE NOT ABOUT THEIR COMFORT AREA IT IS ABOUT DOING WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS TO DO.

>> BUT THEY PASS OUR LAWS.

>> THEY DO.

>> YOU HAVE TO ASK.

IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE A LOT OF STATES DUE IN JUNE OR MAY, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A SESSION WHERE EVERY OTHER YEAR, IT IS A SHORT.

IT IS MORE OF A BUDGET SESSION THING.

THIS IS FASCINATING FOR POLITICAL SCIENCE.

>> RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BEING IN SESSION AND THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE SESSION.

HAVING THESE PRIMARIES.

I WOULD SAY, EARLIER DATE MIGHT BE WORTH WHILE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS WAS PART-TIME.

>> THERE IS A LOT ON OUR PLATE.

I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE TO SECRETARY AMORE'’S PUSH FOR SAME-DAY REGISTRATION.

I THINK THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY INCREASING YOUNG ADULT TURNOUT IN THE ELECTION AND THAT IS WHAT THE DATA SHOWS.

SAME-DAY REGISTRATION DOES INCREASE YOUNG ADULT PARTICIPATION, THAT IS IMPORTANT DEMOCRACY.

>> IVAN ISSUE WITH THAT.

YOU CAN'’T POSSIBLY PROPERLY VET A BRAND-NEW REGISTRATION, MADE THE DAY OF THE ELECTION, AND AT A LOCATION THAT DOESN'’T HAVE THE SECURE ELECTRONIC AVAILABILITY OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION DATA AND IT IS -- I GET THE DRIVE AND DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE PROCESS IS MUCH AS YOU CAN, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS DOESN'’T SUFFER WITH THE ACCESS.

THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN EVERYTHING.

>> WHAT IF THE NET YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE CONCEPTION, DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SAME-DAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO IN THE PRESIDENTIAL.

>> THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE WHO KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT ELECTION DATA AS I DO, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MANY STATES STRUGGLE WITH EXECUTING THE FEDERAL LAWS THAT REQUIRE THEM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH REGISTRATION, INCLUDING BUMPING THEM AGAINST MOTOR VEHICLE DATABASES OR THE SOCIAL SECURITY MINISTRATION DATABASE.

YOU DON'’T WANT THAT ELECTRONIC ACCESS TO THOSE SENSITIVE BASES AVAILABLE ON ELECTION DAY AND EITHER SCHOOL GYMNASIUMS OR TOWN HALLS.

IT REPRESENTS A SECURITY RISK.

I THINK OU HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND ASKED, HOW MANY PEOPLE AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THIS MECHANISM, AND IS THE ADVANCED RISK THAT COMES WITH THIS MECHANISM WORTH IT.

ALSO, ON ELECTION DAY, IF SOMEONE WAKES UP AND SAYS THERE IS AN ELECTION TODAY, I WOULD ARGUE, MAYBE THEY ARE NOT THE MOST INFORMED VOTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND SOMETHING IS GOING ON THERE.

I THINK, THERE HAS TO BE A REASONABLE LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

THE 10 DAYS ISN'’T JUST ABOUT BUREAUCRATIC PAPERWORK READ IT IS ABOUT ALLOWING THE MECHANISM TO DO WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO TO VET THE REGISTRATION AND ENSURE THAT THE VOTER HAS BEEN PROPERLY QUALIFIED TO VOTE X I THINK CAN MAKES A GOOD POINT, AND 10 DAYS IS NOT AN ONEROUS REQUIREMENT.

>> IT IS INTERESTING THAT IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

THEY PRIMARY.

I DIDN'’T REALIZE YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL WHATEVER.

>> CAN I JUST SAY, WITH AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION, IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT.

>> IS IN THERE FOR REASON.

>> LET'’S GET THE LINE ITEM VETO DONE BEFORE WE DO THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION WITH.

>> SELF-INTERESTED POLITICIANS DOING WHAT IS CONVENIENT FOR THEM AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR EVERYONE.

>> THE OTHER THING IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DIDN'’T MAKE THE INTERVIEW, BUT YOU SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW.

IT WAS POSTED ONLINE.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT BEING UNAFFILIATED.

YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES.

YOU ARE UNAFFILIATED, THUS THE VAST MAJORITY.

YOU HAVE TO GO AND DECLARED DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, AND IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN, YOU HAVE TO SIGN THE WHOLE FORM.

IT WOULD HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE A PERFECTLY FINE IDEA.

IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA STEP THAT YOU HAVE TO DISS AFFILIATE EVERY TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW OFTEN YOU GO, AND SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER.

WHO FILE THEIR DISABILITIES AND PAPERS AND CLAIMED THEY WERE NOT DISAFFILIATED.

IT IS A MESS, AND IT DOESN'’T SERVE ANY VALID PURPOSE AT THIS WHITE THAT I CAN PROCEED FROM CONDUCT OF ELECTION STANDPOINT, AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD -- WE HAVE OPEN PRIMARIES.

YOU SHOULDN'’T HAVE TO RE-AFFILIATE TO PARTICIPATE.

>> IF YOU FORGET, THE NEXT TIME YOU GO, YOU WANT TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

WHAT ABOUT THE AFFILIATION?

I DON'’T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO JUST NOT HAVE INDIVIDUALS GO IN AND THEY DON'’T HAVE TO DISS AFFILIATE ONCE THEY LEAVE.

JUST MAKE IT EASIER.

MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE AREA UNAFFILIATED VOTERS MAYBE WOULD ALLOW MORE UNAFFILIATED VOTERS TO GO OUT AND PARTICIPATE, BUT THERE MAY BE CONCERNS BY REPUBLICAN PARTY, DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT -- IS STILL -- YOU KNOW, ONE STEP IN GIVING THE PARTIES LITTLE BIT OF POWER THAT YOU HAVE TO DECLARE, WHICH PARTY YOU WANT TO VOTE IN FOR THE PRIMARY.

YOU MAY GET SOME PUSHBACK.

>> FINALLY, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, THE EARLY VOTING.

WE'’VE HAD THAT A COUPLE OF SESSIONS.

IT IS 20 DAYS.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE 20 DAYS.

I WONDER IF THERE'’S SOME CRITIC WHO HAS SAID THAT IS TOO LONG, MAYBE 20 DAYS IS FINE -- FINE.

VOTER BEWARE IF YOU CAST A BALLOT.

GOING DOWN THE LINE, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT OF 20 DAY EARLY VOTING.

>> IT IS FINE.

IT MAKES SENSE AND WHY NOT ALLOW MORE ACCESSIBILITY TO THAT FLEX ABILITY >> I THINK EMILY IS RIGHT.

I COULDN'’T SAY IT BETTER.

>> I HAVE TWO ISSUES.

AS A CANDIDATE, YOU HAVE TO CRAFT YOUR FINAL DIRECTIONS AND THAT IS EXPENSIVE AND YOU HAVE TO TIME IT RIGHT.

IT IS HARD TO TIME YOUR FINAL MESSAGE INSIDE OF THE 20 DAY WINDOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEBATES HAVEN'’T HAPPENED, THE FINAL DEBATES.

THERE IS A CHRIS ENDO TO THE MESSAGE THAT HAPPENS THE FLOW OF A CAMPAIGN.

20 DAY EARLY VOTING REALLY PLAYS WITH YOUR ABILITY TO ENSURE THAT THE VOTERS HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEED BEFORE THEY CAST THEIR BALLOTS.

THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE WINDOWS OF DIFFERENT SIZES.

STATES DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH EARLY VOTING, PARTICULARLY IF YOU VOTE ELECTION.

THERE IS TREMENDOUS VARIABILITY.

SOME STATES DISALLOW THAT, AND OTHERS ALLOW IT.

AT SOME POINT, WHEN IS THE EARLY VOTING BIZ -- BIG ENOUGH THAT IT COMES FROM THE GRAVE AS OPPOSED TO A BALLOT THAT IS CAST PROPERLY FOR THE VOTE.

IF WE HAVE A 45 DAY VOTING WINDOW AT SOME POINT, IT IS A LIMIT.

I THINK WE HAD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

FOR ME, A REASONABLE WINDOW IS A WEEK.

ONE WEEK WINDOW.

IF WE CAN'’T MANAGE TO VOTE BY MAIL OR IN THE EARLY VOTING WINDOW WITHIN THAT TIME, I THINK THERE IS MORE WITH THAT.

>> ABSENTLY.

TO CATCH POINT, WE CAN REMEMBER IN THE DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIAL, WE WERE CLOSING ON DAN MCKEE AND NELLY WAS LOSING SUPPORT, AND THERE WERE NUMBER OF VOTES THAT WERE CAST EARLIER, AND WHETHER WE CHANGE THE OUTCOME, WHO KNOWS, BUT THE MARGINS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.

FINAL QUESTION.

IF I VOTE OCTOBER 30 FIFTH, AND I DIE OCTOBER 29, WE WHERE WOULD I HAVE TO SAY SOME THING ABOUT THAT.

>> RHODE ISLAND ALLOWS IT.

THEY DON'’T ALLOW THIS, THERE ARE 12 STATES THAT ALLOW IT, AND 17 STATES DISALLOW.

3500 VOTES IN MICHIGAN WERE DISALLOWED IN 2020 BECAUSE THE VOTERS VOTED BY MAIL AND DIED BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THE REST OF THE STATES, 21 STATES, THEY HAVE NO LAWS AND THEY DON'’T ADDRESS THE SITUATION.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'’T MENTION YOU ARE IN THE NEWS A LOT.

I KNOW YOU CAN'’T TALK A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT KEN, WELL YOU'’VE TOLD US YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN THE SUBPOENA YOU'’VE GOT.

>> EXTREMELY BRIEFLY, I WAS ASKED AND I PERFORMED SOME ANALYTICS FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, INVESTIGATING WHETHER THERE WAS VOTER FRAUD, ATTACHED TO THE 2020 ELECTION.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT I HAD TO TURN OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT.

I WAS SUBPOENAED, BUT FOR ALL THE FINDINGS I HAD PRODUCED AS PART OF THE WORK, SO THE WASHINGTON POST BROKE A NUMBER OF STORIES THAT LEAKS SOME DETAILS ABOUT WHAT WAS THERE, AND I FOR -- I CONFIRMED THAT I FOUND NOTHING THAT SHOWED ANY FORM OF SUBSTANTIAL VOTER FRAUD HAD BEEN OUT THERE.

CERTAINLY, NONE THAT WAS SUFFICIENT TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF ANY STATEWIDE ELECTION THAT WAS BEING CONTESTED.

>> I THINK IF YOU EVER NEED ANYONE TO KEEP A SECRET, CAN.

YOU WILL TAKE IT.

>> MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY KIDS SET ON THAT.

THAT IS AMAZING.

>> LET'’S DO THIS.

I WANT TO GET TO A CD ONE, BUT LET'’S DO OUTRAGE.

LET'’S BEGIN WITH YOU.

>> THIS IS THE END OF A SEMESTER AT UNIVERSITY OF RHODE ISLAND, SOMEONE TO GRADUATE ALL OF OUR GRADUATES, AND ALL OF OUR COLLEGES ACROSS THE STATE.

>> WE WERE TALKING OFF CAMERA.

THIS WAS YOUR FIRST YEAR THAT WAS KIND OF THE PANDEMIC IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

>> IT WAS VERY NICE TO GET BACK TO NORMAL.

TO SEE THE STUDENT'’S FACES IN THE CLASSROOM, TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THEM.

>> WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

>> I HAD A GREAT BOTTLE OF WIND AT DINNER, AND I REALLY WANT TO GO BUY IT, SO I WENT ONLINE, I FOUND A CASE GOING TO BUY, AND I PUT ALL MY INFORMATION AND I HIT ENTER, THEY SAID WE CAN SHIP TO RHODE ISLAND.

I PHONE A FRIEND WHO LIVED IN MASSACHUSETTS AND I ASKED IF I COULD SEND IT TO HIM, AND THEY SAID SURE.

BY THE TIME I CAME BACK, THE WINE WAS NOT AVAILABLE, AND I WENT TO ANOTHER WEBSITE, AND IT DID ALLOW ME TO SHIP.

SAYS YOU CANNOT SHIP WINE IN FROM OUT-OF-STATE, BUT WE ARE CLOSE TO A NEIGHBORING STATE, SO YOU CAN SEE IT SENT TO SOMEONE ELSE, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY --.

>> WERE YOU CHARGED WITH TRANSPORTING GOODS?

WERE YOU IN DANGER?

>> THE PEOPLE WHO SHIP IN CAN BE IN TROUBLE, BUT THERE ARE WEBSITES WHO GLADLY SHIPPED TO RHODE ISLAND, THERE ARE OTHER WEBSITES THAT SAY THEY CAN'’T DO IT, AND THE PROBLEM, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS ONLY OWNED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS, AND THIS IS FOR LIQUOR AND BEER DISTRIBUTORSHIP SUE GOT THIS TERRIBLE LOB PASS THAT IS PROBABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO INTERSTATE COMMERCE AND INTERFAITH -- INTERFERING.

WHAT ARE WE DOING.

WE ARE A TINY STATE WHOSE BORDERS ARE POOREST, AND IT'’S TIME TO CLEAN UP SOME BAD LAWS.

THIS IS A TERRIBLE LAW THAT IS DRIVEN BY SPECIAL INTEREST, AND FOR THE WINE LOVERS AMONG US WHO REALLY WOULD LIKE TO ORDER A CASE AND NOT HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO GET IT, COME ON.

>> DID YOU HAVE TO DRINK WATER?

>> I HAD SOME OTHER WINE.

>> THAT'’S GOOD TO KNOW.

I HAVE A KUDOS ENDED OUTRAGE.

A KUDOS TO ANOTHER PANELIST WAS MOVING FROM W PRI TO THE LOVE OF RHODE ISLAND.

SHE DOESN'’T EXCELLENT JOB AND WE CONGRATULATE HER.

AND THE OUTRAGE, NO SURPRISE THIS WEEK THAT WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS ART OF THE CNN FORUM AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, HE PERSISTED IN MAKING A LOT OF LIES ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION.

THE WORRISOME THING IS HOW THEY WERE STOCKED FULL OF REPUBLICAN AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

THEY WERE LAUGHING AT INAPPROPRIATE TIMES AND TO I INTO THIS IDEA OF -- A FALSE IDEA OF A STOLEN ELECTION.

YOU CAN CHOOSE.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO YOUR OWN OPINION, BUT YOU CAN'’T CHOOSE YOUR FAX, AND THIS IS A WORRISOME TREND IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

WAX I'’M NOT SURE WHO AT CNN, WHEN THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, ANY OF THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT THAT IS A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT.

IT WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES LAST TIME WE HAD YOU ON, BUT IT'’S BEEN KIND OF QUIET, SO WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT ON THAT RIGHT NOW?

WAX ISAAC WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO WHO IS FUNDRAISING AND WE HAVE AMMO FOR WHO IS SOMEONE WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO.

WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND RAISE, AND WE HAVE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TO HAVE NOT RECEIVED RECOGNITION LIKE LIEUTENANT MATOS, THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

AND SENATOR CANO.

THE COUNSELOR BASE, HIS NAME, A LOT IS MENTIONED IN THE NEWS AS WELL.

BUT AARON REAGAN BERG.

HE IS ALSO TRYING -- HE IS MADE HEADLINES.

WITH DISCUSSIONS OF IMPEACHMENT.

>> WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BREAK OUT OF THE PACKET'’S HIS RATES?

WAX IS A GUY -- GIGANTIC PACK.

WE WILL SEE THE WINNERS PROBABLY SQUEAK BY.

THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE POLITICAL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.

THE PRIMARY WITH UNBALANCED GENERAL ELECTIONS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS ARE REALLY MORE OR LESS AN ELECTORAL NONFACTOR, THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY BECOMES THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHO WINS A RACE.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THE PRIMARIES.

THEY TURN OUT VISIBLE IN THE PRIMARIES.

YOU HAVE MORE EXTREME VOTERS PARTICIPATING IN THE PRIMARIES AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL ELECTION POPULATION WHO DON'’T SHARE PRIMARY VOTER ABUSE, AND I THINK PROCESS DESERVES US AND A GREAT MANY WAYS, AND THERE ISN'’T NAME RECOGNITION FOR OTHERS, AND THE BIG NAME STAY OUT OF THE RACE.

>> YOU GET THE LAST 30 SECONDS.

>> FOR ALL OF THE FIELD, THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN QUIET IN TRYING TO SEIZE ON ANY ISSUE, BUT UNTIL AARON REAGAN BERG, THE PAVE STATEMENT FOR THE IMPEACHMENT OF CLARENCE THOMAS.

THEY ACCURATELY POINT OUT ON CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING, BUT THIS IS A WAY FOR REAGAN BERG TO TRY AND DIFFERENTIATE.

>> EXACTLY.

THAT IS A VALUE STATEMENT, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE LIBERAL IN THIS ELECTION WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT, AND THEY PUT OUT SOMETHING ABOUT NOT TAKING CONTRIBUTIONS FROM FOSSIL FUELS.

THAT IS A MUCH MORE SUBDUED KIND OF ISSUE.

REAGAN BERG IS SAVVY WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS.

I THINK THEY ARE OF THE 15 OR 16 CANDIDATES, THERE ARE A FEW IN THE TOP-TIER RED HE IS ONE OF THEM.

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